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Can anyone find what they were actually charged with?

Like others here I don't see was illegal about this. Did they have to circumvent access controls or something? The article did mention it was an electronic craps table. How does that even work? Is there someone running the game? Is it totally self-serve? How exactly were they 'sliding' dice? Is there even any rules that the dice must "roll"? What if you threw the dice and it landed perfectly with no sliding and no rolling, is that still a legal throw or did they just accidently cheat?

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Typically you're supposed to throw the dice far enough that they bounce off the back wall. Maybe the electronic table doesn't enforce that?

That's correct, but expert dice manipulators can usually throw a slide so that it hits the corner at almost 45° and not the wall, which gives them a statistical edge.

That still sound like skill than fraud. It's same with software tester trying corner cases - it's software developer fault not taking it into account.

Casino could make some bumps on the table and make table circular to "fix this bug"

Craps is not a game of skill though - it is purely a game of chance.

Craps is technically deterministic and there are tall tales about magicians being able to narrow the odds on a throw by throwing very precisely (a legal throw, not a slide), but I have yet to hear of a confirmed case here.

Roulette and blackjack are just easier games to beat.

I would argue that it is. If the casinos do not want it to be they are free to automated dice throwing. As long as they give option or illusion of there being at least a chance to influence result. To me it looks like it is a skill and they should have monitored how it was played in these parameters.

I am surprised the people running the table didn’t call this out. When I first played craps it was at a busy table in Vegas. I was passed the dice to roll and I didn’t throw them hard enough to hit the back wall. The people running the table said the roll didn’t count and asked that I make sure they bounce off the back wall.

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