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Bah, we need CCS solidarity to improve that network for everyone, not EV makers defecting to the Tesla connector.

Also the "North American Charging Standard" is revisionist doublespeak.

We need a standard, but why CCS and not the Tesla one? One of those plugs has a network of great chargers, the other does not.

The entire rest of the world, including Teslas outside the US, use CCS. (Yes, CHAdeMO still exists, but even the Japanese are giving up on it.)

The only reason Tesla uses NACS in the US is that CCS did not exist at the time they started rolling out the Supercharger network.

CCS type-1 (North America) and CCS type-2 (Europe) are NOT compatible. And China has their own standard.

I'm glad we cleared up history and it makes perfect sense why Tesla isn't using CCS in America. You don't seem to care that it would benefit all of the bad networks in America while costing the well run one.

I'm not sure why it matters what the rest of the world does. A charging plug seems a lot less of a change than say putting the driver on a different side of the car. Bonus points, you can even use a converter between the two plugs if you take your American Tesla to Europe!

> The entire rest of the world, including Teslas outside the US, use CCS

As stated elsewhere in the comments, the European CCS charger and the US CCS charger are not the same.

No — the entire rest of the world uses various incompatible systems.

I’m not an EV owner yet, but CCS looks like a monstrosity compared to NACS.

CCS is a total turd no doubt.

NACS is the Tesla physical connector, plus a new 1000V capable revision, using the CCS communication and billing protocols.

I mean either one would be fine when the transition is done, since they’re both now open standards.

CCS is inferior it’s a huge clunky connector with no performance benefit over NACS.

And don't forget the little prayer you have to say beforehand to increase the chances that the thing actually starts charging, rather than getting some dreaded "communication error" or something.

The user experience for CCS sucks. You should be able to enter payment information into the car, which it would exchange with the charger so you could just pull up, plug in and walk away, without having to fuck around with NFC taps or custom apps for five minutes before you can actually start charging.

Is that due to the CCS connector, or the charging provider? Others have said on this thread that the communication protocol is similar/identical, so it seems much more likely that that's an issue on the backend that is caused by poor operations rather than the connector itself.

It's absolute the charging provider. Chargepoint, Electrify America, etc terminals are totally hit or miss.

I have a Mach-e friend owner and his home charger needs prayers to work too

NCS and CCS use the same communication protocols. The differences are in the actual charging station.

They renamed it that when they pushed into the IEC standards process (the same standards body in charge of CCS standards), so it isn't entirely doublespeak, but a clear sign of intent for the standard.

I like that the Tesla connector is smaller than J1772 or CCS. Since DC fast charging is still a pretty new technology, if companies were required to defer to a standard we would still have giant CHAdeMO connectors.

I don't think we should be surprised that the company that brought us "Autopilot" chose to market its proprietary connector as the "North American Charging Standard". Marketing-wise, I think the name is pretty good, though it is cringe-worthy revisionist doublespeak.

I don’t see how it’s doublespeak, they only started calling it that after opening it up for everyone to use. And it IS the most common charging standard in North America by far, both in terms of number of cars and number of chargers.

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