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Did you heard about americans in humvees running around ukraine-russian border and provoking russians, few years before the conflict ?

How would your government react to russians trying to establish military bases in mexico, on your border? Oh, we know ... we can look what you did to Cubans. Are they still in blockade?

I don't endorse what Russians are doing. But somebody was helping them to decide to attack. If it was successfull or not, we'll never know.

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To make your argument symmetric, we need to imagine Mexico inviting Russia after we 1) poison their President with polonium, 2) seize the Baja peninsula and 3) arm and support border incursions from Texas separatists and 4) have those separatists shoot down a civilian airliner.

So kinda not the same.

Your country does immoral things, Russians do immoral things, Chinese too, every big "power" does. That's not the point. Point is, how would you react to the foreign powers on your border ?

Would you go south or not?

Please, stop repeating russian propaganda. They wanted to control and reconquer their former imperial colonies. Their claimed Casus Belli were just lame excuses, not actual reasons.

I don't have it from russians, I'm not pro-russia, far from it. But those concerns that US (maybe) wants war on european continent were pretty often repeated in all EU media then.

God forbid we use a little empathy, nuance and historical perspective in our opinions.

And I know I'm a bit out there, but perhaps the people in the disputed territories should get a vote?

Russia would be happy to put it to a vote, now that they've relocated over a million Ukrainians from the Donbas to "filtration camps".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for...

God forbid we react to the utterly inhumane invasion of Ukraine with the disgust it deserves. Stop trying to make cover for Putin behind a veil of insincere civility.

but… What if they vote russia?

Perhaps the time to discuss this was before the 2014 invasion. I doubt Ukraine would acquiesce to it now.

> And I know I'm a bit out there, but perhaps the people in the disputed territories should get a vote?

You mean just like the vote in Crimea in 2014 right? With a gun pointed at their backs under the supervision of the military?.

There’s no way that, any vote like that is in anyway shape or form fair and will result in any outcome other than what the people pointing the guns want.

It's unfortunate that Nations can't agree to respect the borders they agreed upon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_border#...

Are you implying that the US would react to that situation by annexing parts of Mexico and eventually declaring war on it?

The US would never declare war on Mexico! Nor annex any part of it!

Not in 100 years

US will react the same way they did to cuba ..

the bigger problem is that Russia is a backwards country with caveman ideology modeled on the strong Mongolian empire who wants to oppress everybody around them because they have narcissistic tendencies

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