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> This has side effects of petty larceny and shootings. All of the mall shootings are groups of these kids that have beef with each other. It's mostly harmless to shoppers but there's always a chance you could get caught in crossfire or become the target of a malicious youth prank.

As an outsider (from an European country): I don't think train access is the cause here :O

It's like saying "We should seed rain clouds because nice sunny weather correlates with mall shootings as nobody wants to go out in a storm". I mean, yes, the facts check out (sunny weather = more shootings than during a storm. I guess?) but the "solution" (don't provide public transportation / seed rain clouds) is.. ugh..

I agree that correlation is not causation but it's tough to ignore when you see the packs of kids walking to/from the train

You are not wrong and we are in agreement! :)

Trains bring more "these kinds of kids" to the mall vs private cars.

Nice weather brings more "these kinds of kids" to the mall as well (compared to stormy weather).

Now, where we do seem to disagree is the question of where the actual problem is. In my opinion, the problem is _not_ that kids are at the mall. The problem is that, apparently, these kids start to shoot each other while they're at the mall (!?! what the fuck)

Looking at _all_ the other countries that have nicer weather and / or better public transportation, we don't see kids shooting each other at malls. So I'd say that's a good indicator that the _actual problem_ can't be solved by restricting public transportation (or sunshine) but there has to be a different issue that needs to be tackled here..

There's a bridge in stockholm that isn't getting opened because people in the rich neighboorhood on one side don't want people from the poor neighboorhood on the other side to come there.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/26/stockholm-bridge-row-exp...

They don't want the poor people to come over, or are they merely against "criminality and delinquency" coming over? Surely it's possible to to separate the people and the behavior (of the few, mind you).

Not building something because it will allow poorer people to move around our cities more easily is just wrong no matter what the consequences. There are also criminals and kids who strut around and flex from rough areas of town that have cars. Should we get rid of roads that connect those neighborhoods to the rest of the city?

These issues just reveal deep problems we have as a society and the solution we have had so far of trying to avoid it at all costs only making it worse.

It's interesting to me that you've figured out that people bring up gun control whenever you talk about this, but you haven't made the next logical leap.

Which is to say, there may be a _reason_ people bring up gun control. As you say "You can't just hand wave it away".

I just think that practically speaking, a community will probably be able to decide on a train project before the nation decides on gun control.