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Because that's not how games work - they don't run "at minimum capabilities" and they run their game loop constantly, rendering graphics. This means that it will almost certanly saturate at least M1s GPU and probably at least one of P cores. At that stage, even the M1 starts drawing a lot of power which needs disspiation.

Also Civ 6s target GPU is much faster than any of the M1s (which, despite the marketing, are still mobile CPU/GPU SoCs, not high clocked 100W+ TDP desktop CPUs with a separate 100W+ TDP GPU) so you won't see it use less than maximum what GPU (and CPU) can handle.

Don't mix performance profiles of games with performance profiles of bursty desktop browser software running Electron.

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I've played plenty of games on M1 that are graphically more impressive and have higher base requirements than Civ 6.

Seems that others have pointed out that Civ is more CPU bound than GPU so I don't know if that's something that could be optimised without completely changing the mechanics of the game or if Civ is just an unoptimised beast but then again the M1 is way above the minimum required spec for Civ 6 so i don't think it's some unfeasible concept.

> Because that's not how games work - they don't run "at minimum capabilities" and they run their game loop constantly,

Unless you VSync?

> they run their game loop constantly, rendering graphics

Eh? Civ 6 is a turn-based game with really very little in the way of animation. It's not a first person shooter rendering whole screens at 30fps.

Even leaving M1 aside, on my PC with a capable graphics card Civ 6 always thrashed the CPU a ton. I know there's a lot going on under the hood but I always suspected it was nowhere near as efficient as it could be.

Civ 6 graphics rendering is just really really poorly optimized. It's comparable to Flight Simulator in how hard it pushes my system.

Curious to learn more here: everyone was praising the M1 so much, but here’s a case that based on this wouldn’t fit the bill.

also how high do you think the penalty for running an intel binary is?

Not the GP, but Civ is CPU bottlenecked. I don't know how their code is written under the hood, but games slow down as you get farther in the game. If you play too many turns the game can take minutes to process a single turn.

I can saturate all my 16 cores, on my workstation, the only result is that the turns are processed faster. When you play multiplayer, everyone is going to be pinned to the slowest person in the lobby.

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