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lemoncookiechip

No, there's no pornography whatsoever in the Steins;Gate franchise, and it's one of the biggest visual novels out there, as well as a very popular anime (adapted from the VN), it's not some unknown IP. VN Database: https://vndb.org/v6618

For comparison, the Fate series did start with pornography and is easily one of the most popular franchises in and outside of Japan. I'm sure you've heard of Fate/Grand Order which is one of the most profitable mobile games out there.

For reference, a lot of popular anime series and manga started as pornography. Manga, anime, light/web novels, visual novels and games have a symbiotic relationship in Japan, so they get adapted from one to the others quite frequently.

As to why they do this, well, it's Japan. The average age is 48, and the average CEO is 60+. They don't really have the concept of fair use like in the US. IF you want a perfect example of how detached they are from the internet, you can just look at Nintendo who to this day still goes hard after Youtubers who just cover their games. They're extremely protective of their IPs, especially when it comes to foreigners or people in Japan whom they have no professional relationship with.

> you can just look at Nintendo who to this day still goes hard after Youtubers who just cover their games

> They're extremely protective of their IPs, especially when it comes to foreigners or people in Japan whom they have no professional relationship with.

If that's the case. What are all of these gameplay videos of their most recent release doing on youtube (all of them uploaded by foreigners afaict)?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=totk+gameplay

I recommend you just google "Nintendo Youtubers" and you'll see just how far Nintendo will go after people. For reference, they used to (pulled the plug in 2018-2019) have a program on Youtube that was exclusive to them, where they'd go after your monetization if you made a video covering one of their IP, and they would claim everything, and you'd essentially have to sign a contract MCN style (google Nintendo Creators Program) with them to be able to cover their games and get a fraction of the earnings.

They aren't as bad as they used to be a few years ago, but that doesn't mean that they're ok either. Youtubers to this day still complain about Nintendo being out of touch all the time, where they actively go after people who are just fans of their IPs.

They aren't alone in this, just one example of many, such as the anime youtubers community (anitube), etc...

Yeah, I am aware of Nintendo's fame of not being particularly friendly to fans and defending their IP in ways that seem excessive.

But to be clear, the statement in your original comment that I quoted

> you can just look at Nintendo who to this day still goes hard after Youtubers who just cover their games

(emphasis mine)

is false, right?

> Fate series did start with pornography and is easily one of the most popular franchises in and outside of Japan

Popular titles like the "Fate/stay night" don't include much sexual material though. Labeling these as porn is like saying GoT is porn, and I suspect many people would object to that.

Not sure how you can claim that. There's at least 60+ hardcore CG in Fate/Stay Night with fully visible penetration and oral, then you have Fate/Hollow Ataraxia with well over 120 CG (CG = Individual images).

Imgur image (SFW) with a bunch of the sexual tags included in the games, since I'm not sure I can use that kind of language here: https://i.imgur.com/oXjnk13.png

They did eventually move away from pornography as the franchise got popular enough via the initial cult following. This isn't at all uncommon with visual novels, starting with pornographic content and moving away as adaptations to anime and manga are made and it reaches the mainstream.

Because "Fate/stay night" is in Apple's App Store with most of the story intact. Yes, the original version did include pornographic content. But so many people are willing to play it without them.

That's an all-ages version, which is extremely common. You can go on Steam and a lot of the visual novels there are the all-ages versions, because they just sell better in some cases, and primarily because Steam is iffy on including adult content when most visual novels focus on students, which is the case for FATE for example.

Plus, it just re-affirms what I said: > They did eventually move away from pornography as the franchise got popular enough via the initial cult following. This isn't at all uncommon with visual novels, starting with pornographic content and moving away as adaptations to anime and manga are made and it reaches the mainstream.

Tsukihime, also from Type-Moon (developers of FATE), has recently gotten a remake which stripped away all the adult content (with no +18 patches of any sort).

For reference. Most of the top visual novels on VNDB (Visual Novel Database, the biggest information depository for the VN community) have adult content, but most aren't "NUKIGE", which is when the game primarily focuses on adult content over the plot. You can however, safely remove the adult content from most non-nukige visual novels without breaking the story beats.

Here's a link to the top 200 sorted by popularity https://vndb.org/v?q=&ch=&f=&s=33M might not be safe for work.

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