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Old society arrests youtuber for giving better than paid ads promotion for their game.

silly beliefs about copyrights for certain media was one of major reasons why Kpop crushed Jpop. Kpop companies lets people edit & share all clips freely, Japan only recently start allowing people outside Japan to be able to view their content on youtube.

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I want to point out that the argument in the article is that the YouTuber uploaded a video of a graphic novel, not so much a game.

There's a significant difference from showing gameplay of most games, vs visual novels that have basically no real game elements.

I don't claim to know the right answer, just that the statement you're making doesn't highlight the argument being made, which HAS merit worthy of some thought

Yeah this is basically equivalent to monetizing yourself reading a book someone else wrote.

We can argue that copyright shouldn't exist but it seems pretty non-controversial that this is a violation of copyright.

This is another reason why Sumo which is an amazing martial art never really grew in popularity outside of Japan. Even now, a bunch of us enthusiasts need to watch the bashos with the help of YouTubers who can be DMCAed any moment.

If your cable provider carries TVJapan/NHK you can watch it.

Also I assume that you're aware of this: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/

Yes this is good but we used to have some great english speaking breakdowns of the events on youtube and they keep have to change the channel as they are taken down. A lot of the fun is to talk about the fights and who will win etc.

NHK is an amazing channel if you got it. like 817 on comcast in the bay. but just the fact they dont have ads. and have so many great programs. If I need dead air background during the day its on NHK

   * Railway Journey
   * Cycle Japan
   * Somewhere Street
   * Lunch Expo
   * Bento Express
   * pythagoras switch (theres a new one thats like programing focused)


   * I really miss Supreme Skills tho

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Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

I'm fairly sure Eurosport used to broadcast Sumo back in the late 90s and early 00s, with commentary in either Dutch or English (I forgot). I don't know if they still do.

Being practiced by almost exclusively Japanese probably doesn't help either; you can't root for your "home team", so to speak. No one watched darts in the Netherlands, then a Dutch candidate won the world title 25 years ago and everyone in the Netherlands was watching it.

> Being practiced by almost exclusively Japanese probably doesn't help either; you can't root for your "home team", so to speak.

That depends what you mean by "Japanese". Naturalized Japanese, probably, but a fair number of the wrestlers are originally from Mongolia or Eastern Europe now.

Though I don't follow it myself so don't know how interesting it is. Always wanted to try the food though.

https://www.twitch.tv/midnightsumo

found this recently for those interested! worth it for ads alone.

I think that has more to do about the fact that it's actually practiced almost exclusively in Japan. Even just to train you're basically forced to live in a handful of Japanese cities.

You have definitely differebt definition of "amazing martial art". Just pushing out of opponent is not even martial arts

These visual novel "games" have more in common with books or films than games like BotW. They usually have an "autoplay" button. Visual novels are overwhelmingly dominated by Japanese companies so if you're gonna use who's dominant as a barometer of what's best for business... well the world is bigger than K-pop.

I have no idea if this person was doing anything illegitimate, just pointing out its not the same.

Is there any evidence that game streaming is an effective way to promote games? Game publishers often ask YouTubers, VTubers, and Twitch streamers to promote their games, but it is rare for these efforts to actually increase the popularity of a game. It is not that the games become more popular because they are streamed, but rather that the streamers are streaming popular games in order to attract viewers.

I personally only buy games after I watch them played on stream

Like many cause and effect relationships, I think it flows both ways.

I've read of at least one indie dev that got their break after a medium~big streamer with something like 500k followers. it gave them the spike to get themselves featured on front page on steam, and enable virtuous cycle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/12zdtv1/3_years_ago...

Eh, if my memory serve me correctly among us only got popular after some streamers started playing it, same applies to a lot of smaller games. vampire survivor too, I think ?

Do steamers make games popular, or do steamers go for popular games? Yes. Both.

And the sponsored time bought from variety steamers pretty much proves the effectiveness. It wouldn't continue happening if it wasn't worth it for the distributors. Since the links published during the stream are attributable to the source, they get a good signal that it pays off.

(+ Personal anecdote: I bought some games just because I saw them on Twitch)

There are a lot of games I only knew about it because I follow some streamers that plays games genre I like.

I don’t know other way to learn about new games if not by a streamer or promoted on steam home page, steam has an awful algorithm, so you wouldn’t be recommended a lot of new games, just the same games most of the time.

Sample size of 1 here but I only buy games that streamers or YouTubers I know enjoyed. When I was younger it was because I was constrained by money. Money isn’t a problem anymore but I’m constrained by time. So I trust the recommendations of people with tastes similar to mine.

Among Us was basically unheard of for a few years after its 2018 release before it got popularize by streamers in 2020

Anecdata: I've bought games after watching gameplay by streamers I like and respect.

For example, if you are borderline about investing in DCS (combat flightsim) and related gear, watching someone like Growling Sidewinder can tip you over. It hasn't convinced me yet because I don't wish to buy the required rig, but it might.

And I bought Il-2 after watching another channel's gameplay videos.

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