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The best way, so far, to prove that it's not written by ChatGPT is to show history using Google Docs. It's probably going to be the new "show your work" that math teachers went through during the rise of calculators.

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- Prewrite essay with ChatGPT

- Spend 15 minutes writing an essay structure in Google Docs (with the essay you already have, also maybe this step could be done for you by ChatGPT)

- Gradually rewrite the essay you've already got in front of you, which can look like a normal writing process

Congratulations, you have now not only got a legit looking edit history, but also you've rewritten what ChatGPT spat out, thwarting other potential methods of detection.

At this point, you might as well skip steps 1 and 2 and just write the damn essay.

if this process occurred from student' childhood, this is the only way to write some formal things.

In the future, we'll bake bread by scraping the toppings off frozen pizza.

Isn't this pretty much an argument for most GPTed writing?

Taking a GPTed piece of content, cutting out all of the useless stuff, proofreading and polishing it takes just as long as doing it by hand from the beginning?

This assumes a knowledge on the subject they're writing about.

Spoiler: plenty of students using this won't have a clue. That's why they're using it.

Easier still:

- Prewrite essay with ChatGPT.

- Ask ChatGPT to rewrite the essay in the voice of someone 5 years younger.

- Submit the juvenile copy as your rough draft.

Though it's probably the best way for now, I don't think it will last. Just like there's a market for 'mouse jigglers' to keep online status in the workplace... there will be automations for sale that will take GenAI output as input, and mimic all the natural mistakes and progress a human would make in writing a document.

Sure, but not everyone will use them. Or know how.

Which brings up the point of relying on false locks as security

Funny! I made a mouse jiggler (actual hardware mouse with switch to enable/disable) 10 years ago and there was no market! I even had a full unproductivity suite, like software to send slack messages at a later time and a chair with a motor that would randomly spin it around to make people think you just stepped out.

I need more info about the chair. Lmao.

All I can think of is this chair seemingly spinning after all humans are dead from the next pandemic. Ahaha

It’s just a regular office chair, you press a button then get up and walk away. It will then wait between 4-38 minutes before turning at least 100 degrees. If you press the button X times, it would shutdown after X hours. It really works (as in people tend to remember the last position of the chair) if you leave a sweater or jacket or something on the back.

That's utterly brilliant!

Time not spent teaching, researching, or running a university. Sigh.

AI should be easily able to generate that.

Just have the client spit out what ChatGPT does and overwrite it over time. I mean naturally you'd edit it too. Seems easy to hack that.

But would it seem worthwhile?

Great question

This is really smart. Although I imagine if it was very widely used, someone would come up with a way for AI to generate a fake history

It is easily circumvented by typing out the AI response rather than just copy and pasting

If you're writing something from scratch, though, you'd expect numerous revisions/deletions over time instead of just writing it from top to bottom in one shot. Rearranging sentences, changing phrasing, starting with the body of the work and coming back to write the intro later with lots of [insert thesis statement here] placeholders.

An AI could be trained to detect whether the typing follows human patterns or not. Same as how "I'm not a Robot" clicks work.

You are playing GAN against 100.000 people and computers.

You never win a game of GAN

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