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Comment by pier25 | Hacker News Reader

Has the DX of Workers improved?

I think Deno is lightyears ahead.

Hard to say without knowing what specific problem you have had but we are improving all the time. Several improvements announced just this week, take a look at the blog.

Among other things, we made Wrangler (Workers CLI tool) use the open source workerd by default for local development, so local dev should produce a much more precise simulation now (since it's literally running the same code).

And what about the DX of using Workers with Pages?

I tried to use that recently and it was a disaster. I wrote about my experience here:

https://twitter.com/pierbover/status/1641474067013271552

I then opened these two issues:

https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-sdk/issues/2962

https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-sdk/issues/2964

I ended up moving the project over to Netlify + Edge functions. I had it all working in like 5-10 mins as it should. Took me two hours to figure out why Workers weren't working in my Pages project, and could never get Workers working properly with my Astro project.

I think you're working exclusively on the engine of Workers which is really top notch, but Cloudflare really needs to improve the outer layer which affects DX considerably.

Sorry you experienced that. FWIW this announcement from Wednesday should help address the problems you ran into:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/pages-and-workers-are-converging...

I've been using workers on & off since it launched. Just tried it again recently and the local dev experience with wrangler is excellent now.

Still no compatibility with standard ORMs like Prisma either.

And the team has been aware of the issue for years now

https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-sdk/issues/2701

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31341513

Sorry that D1 has been slow out the gate. Now that we've solved the basic technical issues we can really focus on improving DX.

You can use drizzle-orm with Cloudflare and that is fully compatible.

Drizzle is amazing.

This is my first time using it and I've been very pleased with it so far. It keeps it simple, has solid typing & schema building, and reminds me of LINQ. I'm also a thin models kind of person and the fact this is just an object without needing to build ORM classes is even better.

> standard ORMs like Prisma

Prisma isn't standard and too slow anyway.

They recently have a new json protocol that’s faster.

Still way to slow (coldstart, throughput and general latency), I was referring to the latest version which has still a convoluted, nonsense stack. I'd stay away from Prisma, there's enough info online.

You can use D1 with Kysely (the typesafe sql query builder) via the kysely-d1 3rd party dialect.

https://github.com/kysely-org/kysely

https://github.com/aidenwallis/kysely-d1

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