As a child raised by a depressed and emotionally unstable parent, I have to disagree. Being well-adjusted is a good predictor for being a good parent. Even if in some cases people with mental health issues have a positive transformative experience, it's at best a dice role to treat it as therapy, and early childhood trauma is the collateral.
Keyword here is “some.” One instance that does not fall in this category doesnt suggest there arent some cases that do fall in this category.
A person does not fight cancer. A person is lucky if the cancer treatments are effective and they survive. Modern day cancer treatments increase the luck of survival.
Some depression is self induced. Always and continually focusing on the negative of thee past. Seems like top post might of had this type. Time need to support the child replaced the time to keep playing back those scenarios in their head with the continue down the road of depression. Tied with changes to their environment.
All behind me now that they've mostly grown up.
From neuroscience, there's the default mode network.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_mode_network
> It is best known for being active when a person is not focused on the outside world and the brain is at wakeful rest, such as during daydreaming and mind-wandering.
Apparently, activation of the DMN is correlated to rumination, itself correlated to depression.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31655111/
Interestingly, one thing often suggested to counter depression these days – meditation – generally says right on the tin that you're supposed to get into a wakeful rest state, but specifically try to avoid daydreaming and mind-wandering.
(I should say that I'm no expert. Just passing along things that I've heard/read.)
Edit: formatting
[1] "The human brain is intrinsically organized into dynamic, anticorrelated functional networks", https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.0504136102
[2] "The Brain's Default Mode Network", https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-neuro-0710... {search for 'task-positive'}
[3] "Neural antagonistic mechanism between default-mode and task-positive networks", https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092523122...
[4] "Mantra Meditation Suppression of Default Mode Beyond an Active Task: a Pilot Study", https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41465-017-0028-1
[5] "Modulatory interactions between the default mode network and task positive networks in resting-state", https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4017816/
“Idle hands are the devils workshop”.
That also matches how treatment for depression often involves throwing spaghetti at the wall and see what method and treatment sticks. Even medication usually goes through trying different chemistries a month or two at a time and see what has any effect.
I've had friends who went out of depression by quitting their soul crushing jobs to start solo businesses. I expected they would slack a bit more and be more relaxed as self employed, but from the sidelines they looked way more busy, working way harder and longer than before. Except it seemed to work for them and they're still doing i years later.
Your story kind of resonates the same to me, and I assume the family building part can be proxied by different goals, stuff that actually matter and bring sense to what someone is doing in life and/pr a different human environment. It might not work for everyone, but I agree there must be a sizeable portion of "depressed" people who's cure are not more medication or less work, but radical changes in other aspects of their life.
There's lots of evidence that doing the opposite of rest - aerobically exercising - helps tremendously with depression (and lots of other issues).
It usually comes with medical followup and regular checkups, and the general advice I heard was to take peaceful walks, or simply going outside, and cut ties from the environment where the issue rose from for a while.
Isn't this the case with "colds" too? At least in practice.
Maybe it's my bad luck, or location-specific (Poland, EU) - but ever since I became a parent (and saw myself visiting doctors 10x as often as before), I've started to notice that, unless it's one of few very specific diseases, you just can't seem to get any diagnosis for a "cold" from a doctor. They'll prescribe you/your kid some meds or treatments, but nowhere in the conversation they say "you have ${specific illness}". No such information seems to show in medical documents either. If I ask, they always manage to deflect the question without even acknowledging it (I haven't tried to insist yet, I don't want to be rude to someone who's nice and helping me).
Is this because they genuinely don't know anything beyond "one of many pathogens that cause this group of symptoms", but it doesn't matter because they all respond to the same treatment options (or don't respond to anything, and you're just treating symptoms)? Or is there a practice of not giving such information to patients?
Negative thought loops, aka rumination, are strongly implicated in many kinds of depression. If you no longer have time to indulge in ruminating, that's one way to break such loops.
I suspect those downvotes are due to people recognizing that it implies depression is sometimes within the control of someone afflicted by it and conflating that with blaming the person afflicted by it. People seem offended by critiques of modern ideas that rationalize away an individual's control, agency, and especially culpability for their behavior or outcomes. Sometimes these rationalizations are fair, other times not.
People who are sick either continue to be sick, get well, or die. No matter what diagnosis or treatment you give to someone, they either get better, don't get better, or are removed from the conversation. We never hear from the dead again, the people who get better insist that you saved their lives, and the people who don't get better will be attacked by the people who did for not believing or trusting you enough.
But I think mental illnesses challenge our very old notions of free will, willpower and control. How much are you really in control when the mental structure for motivation in the brain is broken? Personally, it's not like I pulled myself out of depression. I just took advantage of a "break" my brain gave me.
So trying to figure out whether depression is reasonable is usually a trap, and will not improve the person's life. The thing to do is to manage the feelings, treat the depression, and revisit those topics once the depression lifts.
But other people who suffer from serious depression do so in ways that can be connected to their life circumstances and the framework of meaning they build for themselves around it.
I think one of the biggest disservices we do to people suffering from depression is lumping those two categories together.
It's like we have a single diagnosis for "bleeding" and very rarely distinguish stab wounds from hemophilia.
It seems to me the best way to fight depression, is to contimually distract yourself (particularly with an activity you can control), from whatever is depressing you. As if, by being busy, so much, that you end up forgetting about those depressing things. I know it's easier said than done, but to me, it seems to work if you're able, whereas focusing or dwelling on the depressing things, seems to further depression.
The theory you're describing is "depressive realism". It's hotly contested. In some ways, depressed people can make more accurate assessments, as most people have an optimism bias, but their assessments get unrealistically over-pessimistic as time passes.
Given the general tech-dystopian living conditions and % distribution of non-free software throughout the population: depression would be near universal if this was truly the case.
It does? As someone who has decided not to have children, I feel very much like I’m the outcast. Particularly in the southern US. Also, here on HN where there are a shocking number of parents compared to say, Reddit.
Something like 85% of people over 40 have children - it's literally what the vast majority of people do.
That being said human connection and even animal connection are key ways to help improve and remove depression.