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In theory I probably do agree with the bill as presented in the article, there are 2 reservations that should be bought up.

Firstly, the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin.

Secondly, they're fighting economics on this one. AI seems to be cheap and accessible. In practice controlling the things that this article discusses is probably going to be impossible. It is like banning communism or nazi-ism - we'd do it if it was possible. It isn't. Attempts to ban the idea just make the whole situation worse. It is well nigh impossible to ban modes of thinking, and AI appears to be one of those.

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The EU is more in line with China on this one, I'm all for letting other societies try this cultural nuclear weapon on themselves first. See what sticks.

I feel that's the way things have been going culturally/economically in France/Germany: Look at the world (usually the US but now also China more), see what is useful/competitive, adopt it in moderation. So this stance is extremely in line with the usual approach, in my opinion.

France's industrial might is going down quickly and Germany without cheap resources is losing against China that copied most of its tech. Moreover, China is already outcompeting US in the AI albeit focusing on population control models. EU will become an open air museum for rich travellers.

> China is outcompeting the US in ... population control models.

I feel 100% OK with being "outcompeted" in this space.

That's fine, but the point is that EU will be super vulnerable to any AI because they didn't invest in it nor created an environment hospitable for it.

>the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin.

The primary factor is brain drain. As many experts in geopolitics suggest, the European Union, in collaboration with Russia, could potentially rival, if not surpass, the United States in terms of power. However, it appears they are content to be pawns on the larger chessboard.

EU and Putin together would be unstoppable…?

The EU is happy to deal with Erdogan. Well, maybe not happy, but willing. The only thing that puts Putin into a category of his own is the Ukraine war. Before that happened, pulling Russia closer to the EU and maybe making them a bit more moderate over the decades was the strategy. Compared anything that happened before and after, the USSR with its hostility towards the rest of Europe was an outlier, just an outlier that Putin seems to be fond of. Now it looks like we have to wait for Putin to leave his position to get back to good relations.

The US as well, Turkey is a NATO country after all. Heck, Israel and Turkey are in bad with the Saudis to some extend. If anything, Erdogan isbwilling to deal with Putin (explicitly using the people, not the countries, here). None ofbthat jas anything to do with AI so, does it?

What you got wrong is putting all the blame on Putin. The US has made it clear that it is not accepting that Europe gets its gas from Russia regardless whether Putin is friendly, not in power, or Russia is a democracy. Not everyone agrees with the US stance (Germany went with the pipeline, France/Macron tried to avert the war). It seems that US intelligence has prevailed, however, to the advantage of the US (or their plans at least).

Europe got badly screwed. Now Putin is an enemy forever. And he is not going down since all of Russia's powerful people are on a watch list. They have nowhere to go, and so they might as well stick around to the bitter end.

Yes, indeed, that's also why the United States takes all measures to make it nearly impossible.

Russia has absolutely nothing to offer the EU, unlike Ukraine.

(many EU countries have laws that ban Nazism and its derivatives btw. They are not working flawlessly everywhere but they are there and do "some" effect).

And yet they have about the same amount of trouble with Nazis as ... more or less every other country in the world. Very mysterious.

Nazism is in fact banned in many European countries.

That may be true, but those countries still see the "parades" by these groups. Its "banned" but not gone.

Are you Russian propagandist? They are probably the only actor nowadays who use to name some groups of European people as nazi with emphasis on some parades. Why not to name any group which fits what you are claiming - for letting us to see your guts without asks for some extra clarifications?

It's Russian propaganda to point out that the Azov brigade march with nazi flags and some even took selfies with photos of Hitler?

How am I supposed to answer about some event without any google-friendly markers of the event? Such as date?

Usually what they have are bans to the display of nazi symbolism, or holocaust denial and things like that. Banning something intangible like an ideology is not very feasible, it's usually more about minimising expressions and influence.

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