Ten Thousand Ways to Use Chopsticks
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When we go out to eat together, they always ask me what's the 'right way' to hold chopsticks and I tell them that you guys think about this way more than any chinese person I've ever met.
It's 2 sticks; put the food in your mouth. Did you do it? If so, then you're good. It's not deeper than that. Plenty of times in my family we would just stab stuff because that was the easiest thing to do and no one thinks twice.
addendum: growing up, I organically evolved the 'scissorhand' grip. At like ~18 years old, I consciously switched to standard because I was trying to pick up something small and realized my grip lacked precision.
But no one would be offended if you didn’t hold it the right way
Theoretically, the proper form has some practical advantage. Practically, the difference in utility is minuscule.
It was absolutely a Big Deal part of table manners when I was a kid, FWIW. SE Asia, southern China, late 70's. FWIW.
And, in the UK and China and elsewhere, some parents are, evidently, decidedly not.
>Plenty of times in my family we would just stab stuff because that was the easiest thing to do and no one thinks twice.
And, yeah, there are some things like dumplings that conventional chopstick usage just don't really work all that well for with many people.
(Per article I was probably taught something like standard rule but use something closer to finger pistol.)
I've been wondering recently, how and what age do Chinese households get their children started using chopsticks? You make it sound like there isn't much instruction, if any. In my house, where spoons and forks are available, I think we have to actively encourage our toddler if we want her to try chopsticks.
It's a ball; rolling it down and hit the pins. It's not deeper than that.
Just like bowling, some ways to hold them get you more precision and control.
Efficiency aside, I don't think they're overthinking it worrying about table manner of other cultures. It's no different from learning which forks to use in a Western formal setting.
-Bowling is an explicit competition. Eating is not. -Bowling has objective markers for performance (160/300). Eating doesn't -Bowling is completely human created (as is software creation). As a result, both are highly abstract. Eating is one of the most basic things we all do
The skill ceiling for chopsticks is extremely low. Once the food gets into your mouth and you are able to nourish yourself, the game is solved. Bowling is capped at 300. Software creation is not capped presumably.
> It's no different from learning which forks to use in a Western formal setting.
Yes I completely agree. In my opinion it's a useless form of gatekeeping used to artificially put people in 1 class over another. This is the type of thing we do when we eat at King Charles' coronation and I reject it.
> Bowling has objective markers for performance (160/300). Eating doesn't
Neither does software engineering, the thing discussed in the linked article.
> The skill ceiling for chopsticks is extremely low.
Occasionally foods can be slippery or delicate. Then the grip force (which generates friction) and precision matter.
The skill ceiling for chopsticks isn't that low. Try picking up individual grains of rice with them. Skilled users can do this easily; beginners, not so much. It's far more difficult than using your fingers to grab things and shove them into your mouth, which is something any toddler can do.
As for "gatekeeping", I find that one difficult to believe, since it's absolutely the norm for everyone, regardless of class, in Asian nations (namely CJK plus a few others) to use chopsticks for eating. Whereas in western nations, only certain upper-class (or aspiring) people really give a shit about which forks to use. In most Asian restaurants (in Asia), you'll have a really hard time eating if you can't use chopsticks, because it's assumed that everyone can and they don't usually provide western utensils unless it's a western-food restaurant.
They're really hard to use if you didn't grow up using them and also haven't put in quite a bit of practice. They may be hoping for tips to make it less difficult.
This is true with most tools. If you have never used it in your life even a tool as simple as pencil can be challenging.
I was taught the "right hand rule" depicted here [1] - the stationary chopstick is held at the near end between the bases of the thumb and index fingers (to prevent it from slipping around), and the far (towards food) end rests on the middle finger. The other chopstick is held with the thumb and index fingers (near the tips) and moves around as a lever to pinch the food.
You may have better luck with other grips - I am hopeless with the "standard grip" but perhaps it will work for you.
If you want to get good quickly, there is an exercise you can do - pour a small amount of uncooked rice into a bowl, and using only chopsticks transfer the grains to another bowl. Then repeat going the opposite direction, over and over until you either master the chopsticks or swear them off forever :).
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marcosticks-12_commo...
Norms on that vary country-to-country, as does which hand the fork and knife go in, plus things like cutting a single bite at a time vs. pre-cutting several, or things like using a different hand to hold the fork while cutting versus while picking up food to eat, or keeping them in the same hands the whole time.
[EDIT] Oh, and tines-up vs tines-down!
It's still weaker and not as flexible as using my left hand to eat, but I'm working on it. :-)
Considering the amount of racism towards Chinese I have encountered in Thailand, I somewhat doubt that.
The Lao didn't care, we mostly ate with our hands. Thai were all over the place, but man did I get schooled hard while we were in Yunnan!
As someone who both learned to use chopsticks as an adult and also taught _several_ people how to use them: what they're likely asking for is the basic hand position to use.
It feels real awkward at first, so it's not obvious. The less correct ways feel about as awkward at first, but never actually improve too much, so it's really not a bad thing to ask.
What do you mean is it "better"?
> It's 2 sticks; put the food in your mouth. Did you do it?
No. The food is not in my mouth. Now what?
In all of my personal experiences though, I've never seen someone fail on this level. It was almost always anxiety about 'proper' form.
Or, they just needed to use a spoon. People forget chinese cuisine comes with a spoon a lot of the time (same with korean) and sometimes the spoon is the better instrument.
Years ago i used chopsticks to eat snacks at work, in order to keep my keyboard clean. People ridiculed me in a friendly way. They've since come around.
Since covid people have become more conscious of sanitation and to a lesser degree table etiquette and i'm glad to see chopsticks supporting both of those trends.
One of the main reason I like mine
(I can use chopsticks okay but I can't just pick them up and immediately grab stuff, I need to adjust my hand position usually. Tweezers it's just grab and go.)
I use them rarely enough that I have to re-learn it each time. By the end of my dish I'm usually, finally, approaching the level of skill with them that I suppose a normal Chinese 2-year-old has. And I can only do that much because at one point, years back, I spent some time deliberately practicing with them.
Just curious because I'd never have thought to use the former like I've seen chopsticks used in films, and the latter I'm surprised to hear anyone would use at home - seems like such a Michelin star-chasing presentational tool! (And don't get me wrong, I love cooking, probably put more thought into presentation even just for myself than the vast majority.)
Additionally, you can use the chopsticks in the pan while you're cooking, saving another tool that would need cleaning
> Additionally, you can use the chopsticks in the pan while you're cooking, saving another tool that would need cleaning
This part definitely seems great, though.
This is the thinking gourmand's way to avoid greasy/orange fingers from eating chips.
It shocks me that chopsticks are still used and that people like using them. They're definitely not for me.
For me, chopsticks are superior in picking up crisps. No greasy fingers, as GP noted. You can't stab them with a fork; they're prone to falling off a spoon, whereas chopsticks can grip them from both sides.
They're not for everything, but when you learn to use them, there are many foods (and many dishes in Asian cuisine where they have long thin pieces) that are simply easier with chopsticks if you have the skills.
Knife and fork for steak, or whole pieces of chicken, or turkey dinner... Spoon for stew or soup. But noodles, or stir-fried vegetables? chopsticks.
I limit this to home because I don't carry chopsticks around with me and probably also because I'd get weird looks.
it's not about work product efficiency.
FWIW, I apparently use the "double tripod" grip, standard always felt less precise for me, although "double tripod" cramps my hand after a while.
Nothing against chopsticks, but I politely disagree with the sanitation part. Eating your own food with bare hands is not unhealthy.
Also they interrupt the habit of licking fingers.
My partner ate cheetos with chopsticks while streaming, and it was initially quite a shock to behold until she explained her genius.
When using chopsticks to pick up medium sized things like popcorn, my grip is further back on the chopsticks and usually a standard grip because it feels less tiring and gives me more control. When I am picking up something very small or heavy, I often switch to something closer to the vulkan grip, because using the pads on my ring finger gives me more leverage, fine dexteriry, and a wider range of wrist motion. But it's also more tiring.
I learned how to use chopsticks as an adult, because my favorite place to eat lunch was a little korean restaruant. After a few weeks, I felt confident enough to ask one of the owners to critique my technique. He said I was as proficient as him and he found it humerous how I used them for the rice, the standard in Korea is to use a spoon.
I feel that for snacks and certain meals, the chopstick is more useful while eating the majority of it, but a spoon is better for getting the last bit. I started using chopsticks for snacking because I found it makes distracted eating harder.
I learned at ~8 and my "ah ha!" moment came when I realized that it was easier to hold chopsticks with my left hand despite writing right handed. Now I can do it well enough with both hands.
My hold is somewhat like the "right hand rule" grip, although the lower chopstick fits into the groove of my thumb unlike the reference photos. And while I've tried other grips — as demonstrated to me by Asian friends — they've never "fit" with my relatively large hands.
> Anatomical differences in human hands
> We were given hints about anatomical differences in human hands very early on. The ergonomic marcostick prototypes we created did not work on a few individuals in our test group. We noted that one person in particular could not make the thumb pose required for Standard Grip. Forced adoption of Standard Grip for this user led to chopstick cramps. We created the model T training marcosticks and model H finger helpers in response, but did not think much further about this thumb condition.
> It wasn’t until after folks sent us more pictures and videos of their alternative grips, that we started to appreciate this as a prevalent issue.
[1] https://marcosticks.org/the-art-and-science-of-chopsticking/
https://www.accessible-japan.com/surviving-without-chopstick...
I can't quite find the exact way I hold chopsticks on the chart — maybe Finger Pistol but my middle & ring have a good grip on the lower stick.
I am pretty sure I learned by looking at the little pictures on the chopsticks wrapper when we ordered Chinese food. (There was some confusion in the text — something about "Tuck under thurnb...")
Different countries favor different chopstick designs and materials, which can influence the comfort of different grips.
Thing is... I find Korean chopstick style way easier to use than Chinese. I learned to use chopsticks on Chinese sticks + Lateral Chick held at the very very top of the sticks, these days I mostly use standard, and adjusting to Korean chopsticks from Chinese is almost like moving from driving stick to auto.
I guess the sticks matter as much as a grip. :)
Opening a bottle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPLrGfAbhnw
Also, I couldn't find a video, but at least in my Asian family, we will sometimes cut food like, say, an eggroll by using the chopsticks as a scissors.
Lastly, a chopsticks hack is that they are great way to eat food like buttered popcorn without getting your fingers greasy. :-)
That's a technique that will turn heads regardless of one's chopstick-using heritage.
Totally different for proper metal cutlery, there I agree.
Just an observation.
This page is great. I was just discussing chopstick techniques last night during dinner with my 5-year-old.
Why limit yourself?