credit to Microsoft for rehabbing their reputation with developers but it seems like a massive trojan horse
credit to Microsoft for rehabbing their reputation with developers but it seems like a massive trojan horse
But do they? In my day job, outside of the occasional use of Visual Studio and developing on a Windows machine, I use no Microsoft products for development.
> credit to Microsoft for rehabbing their reputation with developers
With a fair number of younger developers, but certainly not all. Most devs I know don't think of Microsoft any more kindly now than in the past.
GitHub is the defacto "point" of software these days, with most devs jumping to that before anything else.
VSCode is the highest ranked editor from the StackOverflow 2023 survey, with (IIRC) something akin to 70%.
Azure is the icing on the cake, because now you have an entire generation of developers building on GitHub, from VSCode, and deploying onto Microsoft infrastructure.
That said, the numbers are hard to compare because they allow selecting multiple choices and they split the JetBrains products up, while VSCode is considered as one tool.
If you add together all the JetBrains products they reach 94%. I expect there's a ton of overlap that brings that number back down, but it's enough to make me suspect that VSCode's lead isn't as high as the numbers in the survey make it look.
[0] https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#technology-most-popula...
According to your comment history, you are using JavaScript or used it in the past at least, which usually means you've used npm, which is owned by Microsoft.
And since lots of "young" developers use JavaScript and TypeScript, most of them are also interacting with npm.
Microsoft has captured maybe a larger part of the developer market than you realize. Not by being amazing or with "Microsoft <3 FOSS", but by buying up lots of the market.
Then Dependabot for large swatches of more developers outside of the earlier mentioned ecosystems. LinkedIn for everyone's career.
GitHub? fair
OpenAI? how is this a part of dev. ecosystem?
Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would argue that they are better
>embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL
They are EEEing their product - Windows?
> They are EEEing their product - Windows?
No, Linux obviously.
First they like and integrate Linux into their own products. Azure, WSL and others.
Then, they provide extensions that are closed-source on top of those.
With the goal to extinguish the original project so they have more control over the direction.
Notice how, as much as .net core is cross-platform, the desktop UI side of MAUI is absolutely not, and left 'to the community'.
They do not want to enable desktop developers under Linux, as they know that a decent environment would likely remove any need for Windows in that space.
I did just now learn that systemd was finally added to WSL. Originally that was never going to be added and back in the days of WSL 1 I remember the WSL writing blog posts about that being ridiculous. Who knows, proper container support might be added soon.
Microsoft has also already added proprietary extensions to WSL2, like the integration with the VSCode remote development plugin and DirectX passthrough for machine learning and maybe other things (there's a DirectX driver on Linux which is usable only on WSL guests).
And if you run WSL, you usually end up with a special kernel, it's not just the upstream one without changes.
Both my Arch and Ubuntu WSL is on kernel `Linux desktop 5.15.90.1-microsoft-standard-WSL2` rather the ones the distributions ship with by default if installed normally. This is the one they ship via Windows Update which you end up using on WSL: https://github.com/microsoft/WSL2-Linux-Kernel
Watch them slowly make it different than the upstream one, without contributing patches upstream.
VS Code is hugely dominant in terms of IDEs used by developers per the StackOverflow survey. It commands more than double the percentage of the next most used… and the second place is Visual Studio.
https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog...
Also, I suspect that most people who mark a JetBrains IDE also mark a secondary editor that's lighter weight, but it's hard to tell how that all breaks down with the way they present the data. I spend about 90% of my work day in WebStorm and occasionally move over to VSCode for loading a large directory that I don't want to index. When I filled out the survey, due to they way they worded it, I marked both tools.
Those numbers are a bit misleading because they split up the JetBrains products, making JetBrains look like a smaller market than it actually is. If you add up all their tools, they hit 94% to VS Code's 74%. Obviously there are a lot of people using multiple JetBrains tools and that bloats that number, but the huge difference demonstrates how flawed SO's numbers are for gauging market share. Also, I suspect that most people who mark a JetBrains IDE also mark a secondary editor that's lighter weight, but it's hard to tell how that all breaks down with the way they present the data. I spend about 90% of my work day in WebStorm and occasionally move over to VSCode for loading a large directory that I don't want to index. When I filled out the survey, due to they way they worded it, I marked both tools.
If you haven't already, would you mind reading about HN's approach to comments and site guidelines?
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Those numbers are a bit misleading because they split up the JetBrains products, making JetBrains look like a smaller market than it actually is. If you add up all their tools, they hit 94% to VS Code's 74%. Obviously there are a lot of people using multiple JetBrains tools and that bloats that number, but the huge difference demonstrates how flawed SO's numbers are for gauging market share. Also, I suspect that most people who mark a JetBrains IDE also mark a secondary editor that's lighter weight, but it's hard to tell how that all breaks down with the way they present the data. I spend about 90% of my work day in WebStorm and occasionally move over to VSCode for loading a large directory that I don't want to index. When I filled out the survey, due to they way they worded it, I marked both tools.
If you haven't already, would you mind reading about HN's approach to comments and site guidelines?
Yes, they have expanded in many ways - but developer tools/languages/IDEs/libraries is their bread & butter.
The famous “Developers Developers Developers” by Steve Ballmer.
at a high level they pretend to embrace open source but many of the best features of vscode are closed source, such as remote editing and various language servers (pylance, etc.) the lsp saga is particularly unfriendly, since they pushed it as an open standard, tons of people contributed and adopted it, and then they closed the source to their most valuable language servers, making them only compatible with their product (vscode).
there are countless similar examples. the way i see microsoft and the way they want to be perceived are entirely different.
After all, the capabilities of ChatGPT are basically proportional to how well a topic is represented in the training data, which is largely the internet.
If anything is classic EEE of what you listed it’s GitHub, given it’s basically a series of extensions on an open standard. Its Linux EEE program is Azure where Microsoft sells you a Linux server running in its datacenter in fancy ways that lock you in.
I feel Microsoft’s monopoly around development is not that strong and it’s not terribly hard to completely avoid them.
Open source would be a lot healthier if social proof were portable across platforms.
And it also gives a good indication what common de-facto standards are within an ecosystem.
They already run a .NET stack....