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"perfectly satisfactory in car software" is arguable. ID4 still doesn't have OTA update in US. Navigation and UI software inside the car is OK only because of Android Auto (CarPlay). I've also witnessed a number of instances where Nav software would freeze and apparently the only way to reset it was to park, get out of the car, close the door, wait few seconds and then get back in.

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Yeah I’ve owned VWs for years and have always been basically happy with the cars’ software. We recently bought an EV, and even though the ID.4 checked pretty much all of our boxes, we skipped it entirely based on the steady drumbeat of software complaints.

> Yeah I’ve owned VWs for years and have always been basically happy with the cars’ software.

Not trying to be snarky but I can’t understand how one may be happy with a gps unit taking 30+ seconds to boot up in a modern car. That’s my average VW experience. BMW is instant, for comparison…

Well by “basically happy”, I mean to say that there are some occasional little quirks that I don’t love but I’ve personally never had any major frustrations or showstoppers.

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