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Yes, unless the data has been doctored or outright fabricated to present a dismal picture that has the effect of coercing society to adopt globalist elitist agendas that rob the populations of their rights and power "for the greater good". We can no longer "trust the science". There are too many examples of it being utterly corrupted to substantiate narrow and extremist political goals.

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If the data has been doctored, it's in the opposite direction. You are completely misguided if you think the majority of wealthy "elites" are making any serious efforts to address climate crises.

https://www.climateofdenial.org/track-climate-change-denial/...

The claim wasn't that the elite are making a serious effort to address the climate issue. The claim was that the elite are making a serious effort to use the fear of the climate crisis to push everyone else to give up freedom and give the elites more control.

Mind you, I'm not saying I agree with the claim. But before you dismiss it as baloney, at least be sure you know what is actually being claimed.

With this attitude you'll see conspiracies everywhere, and that's a self reinforcing spiral.

If this is how much evidence you need to dismiss something without checking, then you'll dismiss everything and you'll never find out if/when the hunch was wrong.

My attitude is scientifically based. When you see data that is "too good to be true" for a certain political side, you should assume that it likely is. If this "completely vindicates" the drive and cause of the left-wing globalist elites, and is then used to substantiate their argument that personal freedoms need to be removes so that they have "enough power" to stop the oncoming Climate Armageddon, then no, the data should not be trusted. Too many studies have recently been proven to have been entirely fabricated or heavily doctored to back up a political cause. We should not be sheep.

How many studys of this kind did you read yourself? How many of those studys you read, if you read some, you were able to understand? In my experience, people talking about not beeing sheep are the ones who get their "information" from some obscure youtube channel that tells them to not be a sheep.

No. Please read for yourself.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090528203745.h...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02035-2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#:~:text=The....

We have a crisis in science where the data for too many studies has been doctored. So we must trust in common sense, defend personal freedoms, and reject globalist elitist agendas that promise us easy solutions and impossible utopias.

Believe me, scientists are very well aware of the problems in academia, publishing papers, peer reviewing, it is not perfect. But don't make the mistake to turn this into a global elitist conspiracy, yes there are some people who like to control the narative, but you really need to learn to distinct good from bad scientists. For starter, people who make money only by telling some other people that everything they believe in is crap, and that all other people except your little group needs to wake up and dont be sheep, that shouldnt be the guys/girls to trust.

No. This study can be used to change public policy in hundreds of countries. Its importance is paramount, and the findings can be used to radically alter and remove your freedoms, so the default position should be to not trust it. Before we believe a shred of it, every input needs to be thoroughly investigated and reviewed by multiple independent parties. The reason I am claiming this is a conspiracy is because it perfectly lines up with globalist elitist talking points. That flawless supporting study is their dream come true, which is enough of a reason to cry foul.

No, you're just talking bollocks. There is no replication crisis in everyday, known physics. We know how the greenhouse effect works, better than we know how gravity works.

What is your evidence? What is your proof besides simply claiming something is a lie? I've given you my sources. Why don't you give me yours.

My sources for physics? Do you want me to link to some textbooks or something? Learn some stuff is the best I can do for you just now, I think.

Edit: oh wait, Khan Academy has some physics courses I believe; you could probably do that.

Ironically, we know precious little about gravity. We couldn't even properly scale our classic understanding of gravity to orbital mechanics without significantly upgrading our models. And discoveries in particle physics expand our understanding of the phenomenon in completely wild ways.

So who are these globalist left-wing elites that are using fake climate change to achieve what, exactly?

The World Economic Forum, led by Klaus Schwab. Excellent question.

https://youtu.be/0uhiYcG0Psg

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