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The Orange Catholic Bible says: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind" - https://youtu.be/R0krUthYxF4

While I'm terribly giddy for this film, and having Denis direct is ideal, I can't help but feel (in retrospect) that it would have been better served as a TV miniseries.

The world of Dune is so rich and thoughtful that it's a shame that Pt. 1 of the movie necessarily had to downplay a lot of the world-building for the sake of conveying the essential story.

More and more, I'm coming to prefer the merits of a TV series for long-form storytelling and recognizing the weaknesses of feature films (even for a two-parter like the Villneuve Dune).

I love this era of TV that we're in, which I feel is best exemplified by HBO's programming. It gives me hope that the upcoming Sisterhood of Dune series is being produced by HBO. Although it has seen some significant shake-ups during it's production so far, so we'll see.

That said, I already watched this trailer 3 times this morning and will be there as soon as I am humanly able. So stoked.

Dune Part 1 has a runtime of 2h 35minutes. Assuming that Part 2 has a similar runtime, we end up with 5h of film total.

The miniseries "Frank Herbert's Dune (2000)" in the extended directors cut - has a total runtime of 4h 55 minutes. So very similar in length to the movie.

The miniseries "Frank Herbert's Children of Dune (2003)" has a runtime of 4h 25minutes. So, shorter than the new movie (similar to the regular cut of the first miniseries).

So, it would seem that your typical miniseries has actually less time to work with, than a 2-Part movie...

In those specific examples, yes. But there’s no reason it can’t be 8 hour-long episodes like you’d see on HBO. That’s more what I had in mind.

Villeneuve did a good job with the style, and I am glad someone else did not do it in his stead. I felt the story in the movie was far too vague however and it left out many of the interesting aspects of the universe. I'd still like to see a faithful adaption of the whole series in anime in the hopes it might solve some of the challenges it has had with cinematic adaptions.

Man I am actually listening the Dune audio books and I have to say I am a bit disappointed. While the overall plot is intriguing and the world building is fascinating. The way it panders its world views as correct is akin to Atlas Shrugged

Characters just pause and monologue about how certain things are in certain ways with no real distinction between that is how the character feels and that is the only and right way of things. No one who does the monologging is ever proven wrong

Like in book 3 often reminds us that the prosperity of Atreides reign brought to Dune only caused a degeneration in society over and over. "Oh we should just be desert nomads who scramble to survive, that makes us strong! Those filthy water-rich city people are weak and corrupt"

It feels like every few minutes I have to roll my eyes and just accept badly thought out philosophy as fact

I had a very different interpretation of the monologing in the first book. Some time has passed since my last read but I distinctly remember at least Baron Harkonnen having a self important but buffoonish inner monologe and at least one instance of a pov jump to another character who is thinking (paraphrasing) "this guy is a decadent buffon". I think the other characters also have melodramatic and self centered inner thought lives but I thought it implicit that their thought lives are limited and narrow generally, they often don't really represent to the truth of things and it's clear they are often overthinking things instead of communicating clearly and truthfully (like the Thufir's inner thought life is super far off base and he's supposed to be a near super intelligence.) Paul particularly seemed like, all things being equal, a self absorbed teenager. That was just my take though.

I am talking more specifically about when they inner-talk about philosophy, religion and government

Very stoked.

Villeneuve was the right person to make Dune into a film.

Freman, not "person".

I still feel cheated of a novel take by this reboot of the franchise. Even the 'blue eye' effect in this trailer is a carbon-copy of David Lynch's and Anthony Masters' 1984 version, with the sclera tinted blue (which is not an intuitive way to create an artificial blue-eyed effect). I actually liked the earlier version, and it would be easier to like Villeneuve's take if it owed nothing to Lynch's. But he can't seem to 'unsee' the 1980s version.

Dune seems to be one of those books that's really hard to translate into film. I had to read the book before I understood what the heck was going on in the 1984 film.

Having said that, I'm pretty excited about part 2.

Having read the book it was still hard to watch that movie without constantly thinking "how is this supposed to make sense"?

Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones had a bit of that, where you know reading the books made the show easier to follow, but that Dune movie felt hollow

It didn't help that a lot of it was cut.

You feel cheated by the whole movie because their scleras are blue?

In the book, it's "blue on blue," which I took to mean blue sclera.

Villeneuve did pay some small homage to Lynch - just as he did to Jodorowsky. But nothing substantial.

The bigger parallels are all things taken straight from the book. So, in cases were both Lynch and Villeneuve closely followed the book, they end up with similar results.

The eyes are one example of this - they are described as entirely blue ("blue-within-blue") in the book, and that's why both movies (as well as the TV-series) did blue scleras. That part is just book-accurate.

The book also described the blue as being increasingly dark the stronger the spice saturation - to the point of getting almost entirely black. The reason nobody ever was accurate to that detail, is down to black eyes feeling uncanny and scary. Eyes like that would weird out viewers, and not allow them to connect with the characters.

Nice one, can’t wait for it to come to the big screen. Now let’s hope someone manages to create Jodorowsky's Dune :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune

You know that no one but Jodorowsky could possibly do that. ;)

Black mirror season 6 also got a trailer recently.

The post links to a teaser trailer, instead of the full trailer, e.g. https://youtu.be/wmANVhyPyE4

No, the post links to the offical trailer posted by Warner Brother Pictures, that runs for 2:24, and shows only new scenes.

Your link shows a fan made trailer, that runs a bit longer, but contains mostly scenes from the first movie, and from the teaser trailer (which is only 0:46).

I stand corected.

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