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In a fight of Microsoft against Google, I support the fight.

I don't. In a fight we all as end users lose. Competition is beneficial to the end user, fighting, where they sabotage each other or bar each other or their own apps from platforms is not.

Did end users benefit when YouTube was blocked from being used on Amazon Firesticks? Did they benefit when Roku and HBO were feuding and you couldn't use HBO Max on Roku devices?

Be careful what you wish for.

In Dutch we have a saying "when two dogs fight over a bone, a third runs off with it". I support the fight if it will weaken both Microsoft and Google.

Of course, the third dog need not be better than the other two.

I thought about it. Carefully. If google and microsoft went bankrupt tomorrow i wouldn't miss a thing and would be feel abundance of joy. The world would be a much better place without then.

That's a combined 400,000 employees out off a job in one day. I wouldn't wish that hardship on those people all of a sudden, and that's before we consider the wider ramifications to the economy from those people being unemployed. Then there's all the people and companies, non-profits and NGOs that use theiur services which would run into major problems.

I would be be tempted to think perhaps you just glossed over that, because the alternative appears to be a complete lack of care for others, but as you've noted you've thought about it. Carefully.

Alternatively, that's 400,000 working in businesses that actually contribute to the world, and likely plenty of new start-ups as well.

The "in one day" thing would likely suck for the unprepared ones though. :/

Peak HN, when we want to pretend that Google and Microsoft provide nothing useful to the world.

Each of those companies does indeed seem to be a net negative.

That’s not quite what the comment you were responding to said.

Well, they weren't responding in good faith to what I said so DILLIGAF. ;)

It would take excruciating gymnastics to justify a claim like this. And I'm not a fan of either entity.

Well, what are the positives they bring to the world?

giving people tools like Word/Docs, Excel/Sheets, etc that they can use to express themselves and calculate things? Providing email for people? Giving people "it just works" (albeit not as well as Apple's stuff) operating systems (Windows/ChromeOS/Android) that they can use without having to deal with the complications of getting Linux working (although you could argue in recent days Ubuntu does this as well)? VS Code? Creating widely used programming languages (C#, TypeScript, Golang, Dart)? Paying people to work on open source projects? Google search, which, while far from perfect, does still enable people across the world to easily access information that is useful to them?

k. And you feel those things benefit the world more than the negatives yeah?

Would the income currently going to Apple, Google, Amazon and Microsoft for various services be better off going to 10,000 businesses employing 100 people each? That would give more choice, equal number of jobs and a stronger middle class

I think you're missing the point, which is that to make such a change in a day would be chaotic and problematic. I'm not saying Microsoft and Google need to stay, I'm saying that it's not something that could change overnight without extreme hardship caused to many people. It's not just the change, it's how it happens. Many more people are able to work from home now than a few years ago, but I doubt most people think the cause of that was worth it. Do I think we'd all be better off with less mega corporations and more SMBs? Yes. Getting from here to there in a way that makes sense and doesn't cause major problems is important I think though.

Either the person I replied to above was being flippant and callous in their wording in a way they should have been aware of if they thought carefully about it, or they didn't think all that carefully.

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