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disclaimer: I live close to east oakland

As mentioned, everybody is supposed to have a license plate - even a temporary one. In reality, it’s rarely to never enforced, cars and/or license plates are frequently stolen (especially Hyundai/Kia), all manner e-ink plates even stickers plates are allowed. Frankly this has really enabled a cottage industry of thieves and criminals.

I’m generally against a surveillance state, but the utter lack of enforcement on this issue enables and possibly encourages a range crimes

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Why all these references to Kia being stolen?

Kia's and hyundais recently had a simple flaw allowing theft of the vehicle

https://www.thedrive.com/news/hyundai-kia-say-theyll-fix-mil...

e-ink plates, as well as sticker plates are parts of dmv pilot program. it's not some overlooked violation.

Perhaps I don't fully understand the situation in America (in my country a vehicle will generally have a license plate when it rolls off the dealer's lot, which stays on the vehicle throughout its entire life) but what would anyone need an e-ink plate for?

It's actually different per state - different laws and levels of enforcement. Some states you can't drive off the lot without a plate, others give temporary ones. That makes selling cars faster, in a state with a terrible Dept. of Motor Vehicles, like CA - where the town in question is located.

What's so terrible about the California DMV? In recent years, they've done a huge digital modernization effort.

When I had to renew my license in person within the last year, I completed almost all of the application online. I could also upload and submit documents for pre-review for a REAL ID. The website let me book an appointment at a nearby DMV office. I can't remember exactly how long it took overall, but compared to many other governmental or big business processes, it was a perfectly fine process.

Now, the California DMV's approval of AVs without safety drivers... that I do have many more concerns about...

It is bizarre. Here in California you didn't used you buy a car with plates at all. Then they started to require paper temporary ones.

Why they don't just have plates fitted on the lot I don't know. I can't see how it saves any time, the dealer would just have to have the plate ready for each car like in most of the world. It seems that the simplest solution was too hard to implement.

in CA, new cars are issued permanent plates when they are registered. once they're registered, they're considered used cars, so dealers don't register them while they sit on the lot (they also don't own them before they're sold, usually a bank or the OEM does). the temp plate system that was just introduced worked fine in states with lower car sales but probably took a while to roll out here.

it's a combination of outdated laws, outdated technology, and massive amount of car sales. it's finally catching up.

Very odd, I bought my car new in IL in 2018 and it came with permanent plates already installed.

It varies by state.

In many states you get a temporary plate from the dealer that is good for 30 days or so, and receive your permanent (or annual) plate from the state in the mail.

If you buy a used car from a private seller you have to go to the motor vehicle bureau and transfer the title and register the car yourself. If you buy from a dealer they handle that for you (and charge you a few hundred dollars as a "document processing fee").

In some cases you can transfer the plate from your old car to your new car, but that's not always possible. There doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason to it.

I have no idea about the perceived need but it seems that e-ink license plates are quite real.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/10/digital-license-plates-...

One reason is that you don’t have to put a new registration sticker on the plate each year. The e-ink plate automatically shows the updated registration.

It takes 5 goddamn minutes, once a year to put a new registration sticker on.

So that's, what, about 5.5 hrs total over 65 years of driving?

Neither should be necessary. Cops can check registration electronically already by scanner.

Sure but it’s probably simpler for parking enforcement and cops to just look at the color of the sticker to see if it’s out of date.

Stickers are also useful so that I know which neighbor to shake my head at as I pass by (as long as they don’t see me).

It’s not simpler… probably still cheaper. There’s also the month and whether it was stolen from/to etc. Most accurate record is DMV database.

No, it is simpler to drive down a block and within 8 seconds the cop has viewed the colors of 15 parked cars on that block vs scanning those plates.

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