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I am a member, and every actual commandment is definitely public record. Even the temple covenants are (as of recently) public record[0], and those used to be the ones that were held in the highest level of secrecy.

There are a whole lot of people who have their own interpretations of the commandments, and that coupled with our history of secrecy surrounding the temple could definitely give rise to the idea that it's difficult to know what all the requirements are, but it's all online and available to everyone at this point.

Here's the relevant information about the health code[1]:

> The Lord revealed in the Word of Wisdom that the following substances are harmful:

> Alcoholic drinks (see Doctrine and Covenants 89:5–7).

> Tobacco (see Doctrine and Covenants 89:8).

> Tea and coffee (see Doctrine and Covenants 89:9; latter-day prophets have taught that the term “hot drinks,” as written in this verse, refers to tea and coffee).

[0] https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-e...

[1] https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topi...

I've checked the website and it's easy to get lost clicking around like on tvtropes.org

> I am a member, and every actual commandment is definitely public record. Even the temple covenants are (as of recently) public record[0], and those used to be the ones that were held in the highest level of secrecy.

Great! So here's a very legit question: is there a PDF version that I could read linearly to get a good idea of the whole doctrine? (I mean something like the Talmud)

I'm just curious and want to learn.

It's obviously very difficult to compress any religion's doctrines down into an easily digestible form, but the pamphlets used by the missionaries do a pretty good job of summarizing the most important points [0].

Beyond that, the Gospel Topics[1] section is, as you found, a bit of a rabbit hole, but contains the church's official stance on any topic where they've taken a stance. If you can't find it there, it's likely that there isn't an official consensus.

[0] https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/handbooks-and-call...

[1] https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topi...

It's not just a funny joke that attempting to define LDS doctrine is akin to trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. For almost every doctrinal position there are either other doctrinal positions or historical events that go against it (or sometimes both). Even on something as traditionally Christian as the Atonement of Jesus Christ and grace vs. works, the LDS doctrine and previous LDS leadership authorities can be read to support penal substitution theory or satisfaction theory, and you'll find plenty supporting both the supremacy of grace AND the supremacy of works.

Honestly, the best approximation of LDS doctrine is probably not found in any form of text but is best found through the practices of the majority of the active membership. Oh, and the Wikipedia pages are also probably a good place to start, since they can be changed to keep things current with changing emphasis and practice.

Of course, that's not to say that you can't find attempts by LDS individuals and academics to create what you're asking for, it's just that as time moves on each attempt has fallen out of favor as the culture of the organization shifts away on certain items:

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Doctrine_(book)

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_Mormonism

3: https://deseretbook.com/p/lds-beliefs-doctrinal-reference-ro...

4: https://gregkofford.com/products/this-is-my-doctrine

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