JPMorgan Chase Bank Assumes All the Deposits of First Republic Bank
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It seems to be. Fingers crossed.
And we have solutions to keep it from happening again this way. I’ve seen smart proposals. One I like is banks get to choose: HTM securities are liquid and marked to market or inviolable in value, in which case they’re held at face but do not count as liquid. (One can also do something fancy in between, but that seems to invite trouble.)
>> slaw 51 minutes ago
>> only estimated $13 billion will be printed
> JumpCrisscross 46 minutes ago
> Not printed. FDIC would levy a special assessment on its
> member banks, including JPMorgan, if those costs are
> realised. (Note that up to $40bn of enterprise value [1]
> was also just destroyed.)
"Equivalent exchange."[1] https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fdics-special-fee-make-ba...
No, the liquidity coverage ratio defers to GAAP for all asset values, and doesn’t discount Level 1 assets [1]. So a U.S. Treasury is considered comparable to unrestricted Federal Reserve balances [2].
My proposal is screw GAAP, for liquidity calculations, your assets are market valued every quarter. If there is legitimate concern about an asset not having a market, it isn’t a HQLA.
[1] https://www.occ.treas.gov/news-issuances/federal-register/20... page 61471
[2] https://www.richmondfed.org/-/media/richmondfedorg/publicati...
This is explicitly stated in the Basel 3 rules
https://www.bis.org/basel_framework/chapter/LCR/30.htm?infor...
30.40 footnote 1, for example.
You can be insolvent and still meet LCR because LCR is based on average 30 days outflow. So if you have 600B of liabilities and 300B of assets but all those assets are HQLA 1 and your net outflow for LCR is calculated at 100B you have a 300% LCR and yet are very much insolvent.
Held-to-maturity securities' fair value, under GAAP, is amortized cost [1][2]. From an accounting perspective, this sort of makes sense. From a liquidity perspective, it does not.
This is specific to the American implementation of Basel III because it incorporates GAAP.
[1] https://viewpoint.pwc.com/dt/us/en/pwc/accounting_guides/loa...
[2] https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2015/02/availa....
>Held-to-maturity debt securities are reported at amortized cost. This is due to the securities being held to collect contractual cash flows. As such, it would not be appropriate for an investor to recognize interim fluctuations in fair value through a fair value model since those fluctuations will not be realized by the investor.
That is, HTM debt are not reported at fair value in GAAP. The fair value in that case would be the mark to market value (provided sufficient liquidity). The LCR requires HQLA be valued at fair value.
I think the confusion here is that HTM securities are in fact treated differently when calculating capital adequacy requirements, which are not the same as LCR! Your second link (which btw predates the start of LCR in the US) is about capital adequacy requirements.
Previously banks would only buy on the open market unless a specific lot of securities was put up for sale. The Fed was concerned that future increases in interest rates would be delayed if banks didn't immediately increase the cost/rates of securities to match so they wanted to be a direct player in the market. If the Fed can raise rates and then immediately start offering securities at the higher pricethe open market would have to follow suit.
Unfortunately that's exactly what banks did in 2020/2021 when they were handed piles of cash. Now those securities are a risk and here we are. Without that rule change banks would have found other places to park the cash, they wouldn't have been able to load their books with too many low yield government securities.
What are you talking about? This is contagion from FTX/Silvergate/SVB/Signature/Credit Suisse, all of which have failed in recent weeks.
SVB joined that party de novo. Silvergate and FTX were coupled. Signature was to both crypto and SVB. First Republic to SVB. I haven’t seen a great source for linking First Republic and Credit Suisse, though I could see some shared funding channel being shrapnelled.
No, you shouldn’t. Duration is stress tested at the larger banks. The smaller banks lobbied to be exempted from liquidity coverage ratios in 2017 and got it, which is a large part of why we are in this mess. There is no evidence the Fed is constrained by bank balance sheets. (This could change, regionally, with CRE write downs. But again, money being destroyed.)
Then why do we read this: “Fed’s Bank Tests Overlooked Risk of Rapid Rise in Interest Rates”.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-15/fed-s-key...
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/19/business/economy/fed-sili...
[2] https://www.richmondfed.org/-/media/richmondfedorg/publicati...
Making disorder the enemy is something of a distraction tactic. General rate of growth matters a lot more and much has been sacrificed in the name of trying to make the market look pretty at the cost of keeping the incentives properly aligned. Disorder is more of a code word for the wealthy and powerful being at risk of losing their social standing. The rest of us should be worried about general wealth and prosperity. Which, I might add, is maximised by the occasional dose of collapse in badly designed systems. Joseph Gentile has been given 2 goes now at wiping out his creditors; there was no need for that - the 2008 bailouts just gave him cover to go and get people wiped out a 2nd time.
The real question now is who is actually eating these losses? Is it old people with pensions? Because while it would be karmic justice to start wiping out elderly investors because they were the ones with political control ignoring all the problems building over the decades, but that would still be a huge problem.
They should have let 2000 or 2008 play out to their natural conclusions to minimise the overall damage. This one is a bunch of people going bankrupt in ways that could easily be predicted a decade ago. These losses have been created by Fed policy. And we'll probably find when the dust settles that they have once again stuffed everything up, there is no reason to believe this time is different. There have been bank crisises to safely assume that this time will not be different unless, miraculously, hindsight shows they changed tack.
Are you "ignoring all the problems" of today? Or do you just not have the "political control" to change things? What makes you think that "elderly investors" had more control during their lifetimes?
Boomers hold 53.2%.
Those figures are from 2020 - it's probably gotten worse since.
... And those wealth holders aren't just ignoring the problems of today; they're exacerbating them.
Ageism won't solve our problems - all of this is still very much a class issue.
But let's not pretend that as a generation, the Boomers didn't fail like no generation has ever failed. And let's not pretend they aren't still blaming the victim.
It's gotten better, because boomers are retiring and spending down their assets. …or, of course, dying of covid.
Millenials are pretty much on track actually: https://www.stlouisfed.org/institute-for-economic-equity/the...
Wealth inequality in the US is also down since 2019 because of wage growth at the low end.
Baby boomers outnumber other generations, and they successfully used their numbers to bend our political systems to benefit themselves at as they progressed through life.
Which I suppose is fine, that's democracy. But as they reach their twilight years and reflect upon the world they're leaving behind, I do hope they take some responsibility for the plights they've created for the younger generations.
It's perfectly reasonable for the government to step in and say "We'll back stop this now, but we're going to examine this and put in rules to make sure this can't happen again"- and that's what happened here. The reason JPMorgan can step in is because they have stronger regulations on them that have made them safer than last time.
We've just witnessed several of the largest bank failures in history happening this year. In an unexpected turn of events, Bitcoin is proving to be more stable than institutions like First Republic Bank (and Credit Suisse). We'll probably see a few more interesting names before this is through.
Run me through this "can't happen again" part. We've had banks for 300 years now and there is a financial crisis every decade or so these days. What is "this"? It seems to be happening quite regularly for something that can't happen again. The government has been all but force-feeding credit into markets for the last decade, that is hardly a strategy to build strong institutions. The US is at serious risk of being overshadowed by nominal Communists. My money is on the pension system bearing the brunt of this crisis.
What are the signs of regulatory success that we're supposed to be looking at? They seem to have taken an era of unprecedented prosperity and technological progress and done their best to bring that back to neutral.
If you're comparing to the depositors in FRB or CS or whichever bank, their money has been absolutely safe, way more stable than bitcoin - and government guaranteed.
>What are the signs of regulatory success that we're supposed to be looking at?
That in capitalism, individual companies are going to succeed or fail, and those that invest in them will take the gains or losses, but that the broader system still works. And that's basically what is happening so far.
To take your bitcoin example, whenever a crypto company fails, the question is always "Will retail customers get their deposits back" and the answer is... basically always no. That's not how we expect companies to work - the customer deposits are meant to be protected.
What is the value add of all these regulations? We could arguably replicate the system, more stably, if everyone just owned bitcoin and the government bailed out anyone who lost their keys. The regulations aren't doing anything useful.
The role of the regulators here is destabilising the system. We're running a live experiment between lightly and heavily regulated systems here; turns out that less regulation is more stable even with the waste of Bitcoin mining. That says a lot about what the market thinks of the regulators and their regulations - substantial value destruction, and a significant cause of instability. They caused this crisis by loading up the system with debt and risk through 0 interest rate policies.
The regulators are overseeing a system that is underperforming your definition of regulatory success. The unregulated system sees individual companies succeeding and failing but the broader system carrying on. Where the regulators are involved it seems quite likely that the government is going to have to step in and prop up the regulated system again because it isn't sound. Odds are good the bank failures won't end here if it is anything like '08.
> whenever a crypto company fails, the question is always "Will retail customers get their deposits back" and the answer is... basically always no.
That is certainly true, but that is why the crypto ecosystem is outperforming the US dollar system here in terms of stability. People actually have to pay attention to what they do with their crypto.
A 6% raise in rates hasn't been accompanied by mass failures in crypto. Mainly because they deal with the problems by a string of small failures that wipe out an inconsequential number of people and keep the incentives correctly in place. The US regulators disrupted that natural market cleansing and look what it gets them - massive value destruction. And we aren't quite sure yet where the blow is going to hit.
Because we need to be clear. For depositors the value of the regulation is very clear - when crypto exchanges are unregulated when they blow up their depositors money isn't safe. When regulated banks blow up, the customer deposits stay safe thanks to regulations. The thing that caused instability isn't the regulations, it's rate changes.
The problem you have with crypto is very simple - you can't point at the value of bitcoin or FTT or ETH or Terra or Solana and say that it's safe, because alot of the time the people who were invested in it no longer have the asset! It's all well and good to say that BTC isn't down 100% but the people who had BTC on FTX don't have the bitcoin anymore so the nominal value of BTC is academic.
The regulations are so useless that the regulators have to roll in and start handing out money to fix their own mess. The system under low regulation is more stable - it works without intervention and rules changes. The regulated system the regulators keep having to make up new rules on the fly to cope with the fact that they are fundamentally destabilising the system and causing enormous losses of value to happen along the way by removing the feedback loops and protecting people from their actions at cost to the bystanders.
The regulations are net-negative value add and destabilising. The regulators are papering over that by unplanned cash infusions. Everyone in the regulated economy is assuming that the regulators fold and change the rules but they're all gambling on how the system will be broken. Nobody is behaving as though the regulations themselves are helping.
The point I'm making is if the rules are going to dissolve anyway, Bitcoin is a better system to go around bailing people out, because at least it is low-friction. It isn't exactly true, but superficially since Bitcoin can reliably preserve value in a way that the banks can't, we should bail out the bitcoin firms in preference to the banks. It is a more fundamentally sound system. We aren't see the sort of cascading failures that happen under the regulators. FTX goes bust and that is kinda it, whereas we've just had 3 huge banks go bust in a more regulated system - likely with more to come and high risk of a cascade of failures through the whole banking industry if the regulators follow the official playbook. Everyone agrees that following the regulations would result in systemic collapse in the event of a crisis. Compare and contrast to the Bitcoin ecosystem where something like Tether has survived at least 2 depegs and carries on like it is nothing. If the banks had that sort of resiliency against a run, this current crisis would not require a response. The reason they don't is because everyone is playing the regulators.
You say that the regulations are harming the system, but crypto gives us a perfect illustration of what happens without these regulations. You don't end up with companies that function better, you don't avoid duration mismatch, your exchanges go tits up and it turns out that the CEO was spending all the cash on his bahamian polycule. And you say FTX goes bust and that's it but that really only works because bitcoin is so tiny that when FTX goes bust it isn't all of our pensions and life savings on the line. And it wasn't just FTX, FTX was the last domino in a whole slew of failures over last summer - half of which it turns out were self-dealing and committing fraud.
The whole point is that the government can step in and backstop a system where it's tightly regulated what these banks are doing, they can't step in and backstop a system where your bank may literally just be taking your deposits and spending it all on bahamian parties.
There's just this massive disconnect between the unregulated world where a bank can be bust and pay back 99 cents on the dollar, and the deregulated world where a crypto exchange can be bust and it turns out it's only going to pay 10cents on the dollar, and it won't even do that because the CEO started siphoning off the remaining funds.
Bank Failures --> Glass-Steagall --> Repeal --> Bank Failures --> Dodd-Frank --> Repeal --> Bank Failures --> ...
The Fed had an extremely similar approach to what you propose in the late 20s, it was called liquidationism. It sparked the Great Depression, which was a terrible tragedy that destroyed millions of people’s lives, and through global aftereffects is arguably one of the main causes of Hitler’s rise to power.
Destroying the economy is very bad
By the time of Hitler's rise, hyper inflation was over and German economy was stable and beginning to prosper. Here is one paper covering it
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2021/10/19/debunking-...
According to Arthur Bryant the British court historian writing in Unfinished Victory (1940 pp. 136-144):
"even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.."
Anyway, here’s [0] an article that disagrees with Bryant’s stated claim.
[0] https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/fiscal-destruction-confiscato...
A key difference here is that bond and equity holders are wiped out, which helps reduce moral hazard.
The broader concern is the privatization of profits while losses are absorbed by the government/public.
It seems like people just say this happened no matter what actually happens?
Equityholders are always wiped out when the government takes over a bank or business. Not sure about bondholders, but the point of backing up a bank is to prevent losses to the public of their bank accounts and payrolls.
For something like covid airline bailouts, equityholders got support but that's because the airlines have unions, not because the government loves airline shareholders.
The pull into oblivion is quite agreeable to people, for some reason.
Pretty close to the Bear Stearns path if you ask me ! When Bear Stearns was bought by JPM, there wasn't an immediate collapse of everything - no contagion or anything. On the surface that is.
The underlying problems of this crisis are still there - JPM buying (or ... being forced to buy) FRC doesn't solve any of those problems. It's just buying time.
In the longer term, though, I expect additional consolidation because of the fact that the government has all but instructed CFOs to move to larger banks through their statement that only "systemically important" institutions will be bailed out.
https://am.jpmorgan.com/content/dam/jpm-am-aem/global/en/ins...
You can't insure against a sure thing, so it's not actually possible to hedge everything. I don't think SVB necessarily could have done this; there might not've been a position without duration risk for them that actually made them any money.
FDIC isn't taxpayer funded though, right? It's funded by insurance paid by banks. Personally I haven't given a dime to a bank my whole adult life other than mortgage interest, so I'm confident saying I'm not bearing the cost of FDIC covering depositors.
> the ones that knowingly took dangerous risks got a defacto bailout
Depositors, the only ones who got "bailed out," were not informed of whatever investment choices were made by these banks. Occam's razor: Do you think they would have gotten any depositors at all if they'd advertised "There's a small chance our bank will fail and you'll lose everything if interest rates go up by about 400bps from their current all-time low"? Also these banks weren't paying like, insane 15% interest rates or something -- they may have been a bit better than average, but not in too-good-to-be-true territory.
We’ve also set a precedent for future recessions/shifts towards hawkish policy: if you’re a bank exec, be as reckless as possible while demand for loans is high and shift that value to yourself with stock incentivizes and bonuses. Markets are defined by activity at the margins so if it’s not you, it’ll be whichever other bank is ballsy or poorly managed enough to do it. You can even pass on some of the gains to consumers, who will know it’s unsustainable but that their deposits are protected, so you can write and hold as many unprofitable loans as possible on your books. When the music stops the only people screwed are shareholders and all the people whose money you devalued.
Or, the precedent is that the Fed gets scared of raising rates and basically ends up letting banks tell them if they’re allowed to raise rates. Which will mostly be answered with “no”
The only way the monetary supply changes is when a bank loan begins or ends, or when the Fed buys or sells something, because those are the only cases in which a transaction occurs with more or less money across all parties after it completes. In all other transactions money is just moving from one account to another (but the Fed issues money, so their account is special in that it can create or destroy any quantity).
Reality is a bit more complicated than this, but when a bank gets a deposit for $100 that becomes both a bank asset ($100) and liability (they need to be able to pay out $100 on short notice). Loaning the money out to another account in the bank, you’ll notice that the bank now has $200 in liabilities, $100 in cash assets, and a loan for $100 paying some interest and principle over time. Those loans can be valued at some price between starting and ending based on risk, duration, and rates.
When the Fed raised rates, those previously issued loans at lower rates become less valuable. Now the bank has the same amount of liabilities but less valuable assets. Banks can lend from each other to make up for short term liquidity problems, but if the situation gets bad enough, nobody will lend to the bank anymore and they can only look at their balance sheet in terms of their current asset prices (which may have fallen a lot compared to the full value they were using for accounting) and liabilities. Shortly thereafter they become unable to meet liabilities and are considered to have failed and enter receivership (basically bankruptcy).
The monetary supply then changes in one of two ways: it decreases by any amount that depositors lose due to the bank not having it (they end up with an account with less dollars) or it increases by any new money loaned/printed to shore up the failed bank’s balance sheet so it can be sold off to other banks (since in aggregate it has negative value, it can’t completely sell off as-is). I don’t know exactly what financial trickery backs FDIC insurance but I suspect it’s not new-money. What is monetary supply inflation is when the failed bank exercises the new Fed backstop to cover losses past FDIC, because this lets them sell some debt-based-instruments at coupon value (amount ultimately due) rather than fair-market-value (amount if you tried to sell it right now) to the Fed (remember, them buying stuff means more money gets created). And that is why these bank failures are causing everybody with cash to be effectively bailing out depositors: https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/feds-new-banking-ba...
I see no reason why FRC couldn't have just gone on...shown a quarterly loss from time to time, lose and/or gain depositors, shrink or grow...
its as if it was "decided" that this bank will be sold off for literally 1 penny on the dollar
when the crisis deepens, The Fed will lower rates and all of FRCs bonds will be in the green again...and JPM got them for free
The fed and regulators have to provide their current receivership terms (depositors will be made whole) to prevent banks runs and a liquidity collapse. Without these terms FRB would have collapsed long ago, as would have many other regional banks in the panic that would ensue as everybody takes their money to a TBTF bank.
The fed can only let you use those terms when you’ve failed, because otherwise they’d be massive money printers and accelerate inflation greatly (for the part that’s not funded by existing insurance terms, or bank fees, which btw are gonna have to go up each time this happens). And the Fed can’t let banks like FRC continue to operate after receivership because it’s essentially bailing out shareholders and execs with public money.
If, then when.
This is the gamble. With JPM getting them for free, the bonds pay out on a long enough time horizon OR if the federal reserve slows or changes direction.
SVB failed so quickly the Fed couldn't go through their usual process. The Fed had to throw out the rules and effectively stare that FDIC limits don't matter and all deposits are fully insured.
They were then so concerned about First Republic failing quickly after SVB that they in all likelyhood helped orchestrate a $30B deposit by major banks to help provide liquidity. That move is extremely odd and really looks a lot like market manipulation and collusion. They also must have known that was a short term measure to delay the failure until they could let the smoke clear and find a buyer, banks would have provided First Republic loans or invested in the bank if they had any faith in it's long term viability, depositing cash is just a show of force.
https://scholarworks.umass.edu/econ_workingpaper/343/
While much of wage growth is being driven by a plague-induced labor shortage and in response to the above. Cranking the interest rate dial to 11 solves very little besides impoverishing workers to preserve the dysfunctional status quo for the wealthy and business owners. This is quite obvious in how they’re handling all these bank failures.
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If inflation is caused by rapid wage growth, then pushing to cool that growth can help. If, on the other hand, inflation is caused by widespread corporate greed increasing prices to juice profits, trying to cool wage growth won't touch it, and will instead make the situation worse.
Price changes are a potential side effect of inflation, but prices can be impacted by plenty of other factors including changes in supply and demand. Price changes alone are a pretty meaningless measure without context. Factor in how easily the inflation measures are manipulated and the numbers aren't even reliable measures.
[1] https://www.clevelandfed.org/publications/economic-commentar...
That is, unless, of course, the mosquito swarm is a useful excuse to actually do the collateral damage you want.
All accounts are whole on Monday as usual, the Fed simply backed everything and decided it was safer to figure it out later given concerns over contagion.
Apparently the FDIC funds are not entirely liquid either so the fed extended them a short-term loan to provide the liquidity. At the end of the day the shortfall on the sale got covered by the FDIC funds and the loan from the FED came through on the basis of the FDICs fund and the fact that they then owned all of SVBs assets(they were named the receiver).
The FDIC managed the entire thing, backed all the maneuvers with their 128bn fund, is independent and reports to the POTUS, and is entirely funded by deposit insurance fees on the financial industry. The FED had its own opinions on the whole situation I'm sure, and provided a short-term liquidity loan to the FDIC, but it's a bit misleading IMHO they way their involvement is discussed.
I hadn't seen any reports confirming a Fed loan but that seems like about the only way it could have worked.
I wasn't aware of any of this until a few weeks ago had to research. As a disclaimer and promotion of independent research haha.
So you are saying that the decision to invoke the systemic risk exception and cover all depositor funds despite the least cost rule was an independent decision of the FDIC and not, as the law requires, a decision made by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the President, backed by supermajorities of both the Fed board and the FDIC board?
Strange that that’s not what the joint Treasury/FDIC/Fed press release said.
The “least-cost rule” is not a self-imposed FDIC rule, its a rule Congress imposed in 1991 after bank failures in the 1980s were felt to have been managed to expensively when the FDIC used funds to allow banks to stay open or otherwise protected uninsured depositors and creditors.
> and given they could just “throw it out” as they see fit.
They can’t. There is an exception available to the least cost rule, but that exception – the systemic risk exception – cannot be invoked by the FDIC, it can be invoked only by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the President, and with the support of 2/3 of the FDIC Board of Directors and 2/3 of the Federal Reserve Board.
The loss of confidence (and people losing their jobs) would make that much worse for the economy than finding some more money somewhere else; because banks work on confidence, telling people you have their money stops them from withdrawing it, which means you don't need to actually give them it.
I do get why they did it, I was simply pointing out that they changed the rules in the middle of the game.
In 2007 the failures were amongst investment banks and there was no statutory authority to do an orderly liquidation (there is now) and the Bush admin was seemingly disinterested in responding. Thus a panic ensued.
This time we're applying well-tested and reliable procedures and they're working as expected.
That is to say... everything is orderly until it's not.
[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/moodys-downgrades-11-regional-b...
It was never capped in any hard manner, remember the fine print is "up to at least" $250,000.00.
The limit can be as high as the FDIC's feeling that particular day, the only thing set in stone is the floor of $250,000.00.
Technically, the FDIC has to find the failure to be systemically important. Legally, nobody defined what that process should be, so you are in practice correct.
> All depositors of First Republic Bank will become depositors of JPMorgan Chase Bank, National Association, and will have full access to all of their deposits.
(Matt Levine et al have argued that the SV VC community should have taken over more, or indeed any, of the rescue role, since they were responsible for overweighting SVB and then bankrunning it. But that hasn't happened)
Ish. The loss-sharing transaction does involve the FDIC taking risk [1]. They claim they will settle up actual losses with special assessments on their members. And there may be no losses at all. But there is definitely risk being assumed by the FDIC, an entity backed by the full faith and credit of the United States.
It also looks like the FDIC is providing JPMorgan with a $50bn term loan [2]. (Shout out to snake_doc [3].)
[1] https://www.fdic.gov/resources/resolutions/bank-failures/fai...
[2] https://www.jpmorganchase.com/ir/news/2023/jpmc-acquires-sub...
If it ran out of money, it's nearly certain the government would step in to cover the shortfall.
as long as the payout doesn't exceed the FDIC's funds
its a $100 billion fund insuring $14 trillion in deposits...
Backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. (As well as what looks like the Fed [1].)
[1] https://bpi.com/the-mysterious-footnote-7-to-whom-and-on-wha...
Watch that space for when supply catches up and we start figuring out better pandemic management after the next killer wave. The road ahead is bumpy, but I see wise investments paying off as long as some idiot doesn't get into power and start cutting taxes for people who don't need them again.
The people who keep loaning money to the government at least don't seem worried because they keep doing it.
$4T in debt for the US is bearable. Between a $23T GDP and being constitutionally obligated to pay those debts as they come due, it's not really an issue. There's probably a lot of fraud in government programs, but that money still gets spent in the economy that financed the loan.
The issue is deficits. Those can go up in times of crisis, but end up bolstering the nation's ability to pay, so it's not all bad. I have near complete contempt for what passes for political parties in the US but, historically speaking, the way to go if you care about reducing the debt is Democrats. They consistently wipe out the deficit and set us on a path to paying it down just in time for Republicans to take over and flip it back to red with tax cuts and set the stage for crisis with deregulation. Democrats might raise the debt, but it's usually to deal with a crisis.
There is a search feature on archive.is, which so far hasn't failed me when I looked for links on these somewhat popular paywalled sites.
It's not entirely fair to compare bank failure sizes across times, even inflation adjusted [1]. The rate of asset price growth since 2008 far outstrips inflation.
IMO the frequency of bank failures is more worrying. They tend to come in waves [2].
1: On the size of bank failures: https://yarn.pranshum.com/banks 2. On the frequency of bank failrres: https://yarn.pranshum.com/banks2
> Most banks hold more assets than deposits. So in theory, depositors should always be made whole.
No such theory is established; it's the central bank's money printing ability that can always make depositors whole. In the US, the Federal Reserve implicitly backs the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.
The FDIC holds an adequate deposit insurance fund, financed by banks who must buy FDIC insurance. It's over $100 billion dollars, which is enough to weather some major failures. With large failures, the FDIC may issue special assessments to maintain the fund at a safe level (they did this with SVB).
* the risk driver for these ongoing smaller bank failures is (reportedly) the rise in interest rates. This concerns such a basic aspect of bank risk management one wonders how this sector could even call it self banking
* the solution seems to be to create ever larger banking behemoths (on the premise that they they can better manage risks) - as if we don't have enough examples (Lehman, Credit Suisse that this is not so). In fact this aggregation only commingles all sort of risks inside a gigantic opaque pool, makes the private-public dependency (TBTF) and all its perverse incentives even more entrenched, and ultimately creates the conditions for systemic failure
It is all so egregiously non-sensical and sub-optimal. People famously have the political systems that they deserve. In turn this perpetuates the banking systems that they deserve.
These banks should have been aggressively audited and diversification should have been enforced, as it used to be. We just keep going in this "deregulate-collapse-regulate" cycle.
You're making it sound like people taking out their money out were those in the wrong, causing the failure of the bank.
That's not what happened. People taking their money out were in the right.
The root cause is bankers at FRB miscalculating risk. And they are those who were wrong.
Of course, then the super-rich and their millions might stay away. But perhaps that's the most stable course after you have too many "over the FDIC limit" account balances.
this really feels like a setup to let a big bank buy a little bank for nothing
if we are really talking about people fleeing banks in "trouble", they would all close tomorrow...and don't tell me about stress-tests, those don't incorporate things like a broad collapse in commercial RE (which ALL the banks will be hit by)
…reporting First Republic’s balance sheet losses and falling stock and bond prices.
> feels like a setup to let a big bank buy a little bank for nothing
It’s not. That JPMorgan wound up buying it means literally nobody else submitted a valid bid, because the OCC and FDIC would have much preferred to not waive rules in making this happen. (Remember, too, the $30bn the big guys deposited with First Republic in March [1].)
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/16/group-of-financial-instituti...
https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/2023-Stress-Test...
I think financial regulators are a bit too soft-touched, but they aren't so incompetent that they would neglect real estate, of all things, in stress test scenarios in this post GFC world.
That's just how business works. Many businesses would have a hard time surviving losing 40% of their business in a short period of time.
I don't like to recommend podcasts, but in of his podcast [0] he had a really interesting walkthrough of his perspective on the regulators working to shut down his bank. For me it was the most powerful advertisement for cryptocurrency I've heard to date. An opinion that would probably annoy Schiff.
Even if you don't believe in any particular bank, in a 0 interest rate environment a full reserve bank would have been competitive. If you don't get money anyway, avoiding the inevitable crash when rates rose would have been a nice selling point.
[0] https://schiffradio.com/ Ep. 887
This article has some speculations, but nothing definitive: https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/safest-bank-fed-wont-san...
It doesn't quite make sense why the Feds don't want narrow banks, except that they might compete with traditional banks (and those banks' deep reaches into the Fed's policy decision makers are forcing out potential competition before they take root).
I've heard this before and I very much doubt that is the full story. Does anyone have the _regulators_ side of this argument?
IIUC, the regulator's argument is that people are incredibly interested at putting their money in a narrow bank (aka Pass-Through Investment Entities) such that few people would want to store money not at a PTIE and it would screw over liquidity in the financial market.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-08/the-fe...
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/03/12/2019-04...
Partisans invalidate people that care about the ways both sides are the same.
We know which ways the parties are different, it is perfectly fine to be more frustrated in the ways they're the same.
Given that banks seem to have an uncanny ability to destroy themselves in spite of an ever increasing set of regulations trying to stop them from doing so, and the current trend indicates in the future we’ll be left with just a few blessed TBTF banks, I think we ought to consider a system where the Government or Fed provides the core functionality of “let me put $X in an account so I can use $X in the future” for free and banks compete based on value added. It’s the least-worst outcome, because otherwise people are going to turn to crypto to avoid the for-profit oligopoly subsidized by repeated debasement and access to Fed lending/liquidity tools unavailable to the public.
That’s the opposite of what is happening. Regulation has been decreasing.
Really you could stretch that back out to 100 years and bank regulation has trended higher, so it'd seem only a very short time scale has regulation decreasing.
I think the regulations add a false sense of security. If it's highly regulated like the financial industry people just follow the regulations and think that's enough. Investors don't care and assume correctly any mess up at the bank with be bailed out. Less regulated industries tend the have more savvy buyers because you know there won't be a backstop
So far all four bank failures that have made headlines recently (Silvergate, Silicon Valley, Signature and now First Republic) were all under the new threshold. I think Silvergate was under the old threshold as well, but that still leaves 3 out of 4 that could have been prevented if Dodd-Frank were left in place.
Also: "new legislation added on top of existing framework" can result in less regulation if the new legislation nullifies or repeals or (in this case) exempts some participants from current regulations.
This is pretty much the main reason BitCoin and many other coins were created - remove the corruption and the unfair advantage some actors in the finance industry enjoy. Why do you think that people resorting to crypto is a bad scenario?
The US government providing basic bank accounts is never going to pass in Congress - the republicans are going to be against it based on their small government ideas and many democrats are depending on the money from sponsors in the finance industry. The Fed is owned by the banks anyway.
only to put themselves in the very same seat, but without any actual regulatory oversight.
the earlier coiners gets a lot more. Just like today's financial institutions have gotten there by just being around early enough to have captured a lot more.
All i see in bitcoin (and etherium) are just people who wish they were those old bankers.
Bitcoin already has second layers: the Lightning Network, Stacks, and bridges to other blockchain systems.
No more immutable ledger, traceability, fungibility, or censorship protections.
The Lightning Network literally consists of Bitcoin transactions.
There are custodial solutions that serve each layer, but that’s orthogonal to the network itself.
This design has nothing to do with bitcoin other than the input and output formats. You depends solely on the lightning network itself and have given up all benefits from using a public ledger-based system. There is literally no way a layer two solution can offer faster transactions than bitcoin block times without requiring off-ledger transactions that aren't protected by the consensus protocol.
You have misunderstood since the beginning, because this is how it’s worked since the initial spec was proposed in 2015, years before it was actually implemented.
Here’s a book you may find informative: https://github.com/lnbook/lnbook
It's impressive that you could say I was completely wrong then proceed to describe the same system in slightly different wording.
Your initial description seems accurate, but then you erroneously claim this has nothing to do with bitcoin.
What are the benefits you see in LN that are worth the tradeoffs of abandoning bicoin's main chain consensus protocol?
If I hand you a paper bitcoin wallet worth a certain amount of satoshis, that’s still bitcoin. You rightly shouldn’t accept it because I know the private key and could rugpull those funds from your control. If there were cryptographic assurance to prevent that rugpull, owning that key becomes as valuable as the underlying asset.
Your flawed explanation is like saying the dollars spent on a Visa card aren’t using US currency because the transaction isn’t immediately settled in the eyes of central banks.
Edit: To be clear, there’s no credit involved in the LN transaction. I only used the analogy as a layman’s example. All LN transactions are fully collateralized and can be settled to the base layer at any time by either participant.
Every LN transaction is literally a bitcoin transaction. Usually these are not broadcast to peers for settlement on the base layer, but the latest transaction always can be broadcast, just like any other Bitcoin transaction.
I don’t follow other L2s closely, so maybe this differs from Ethereum and its derivatives. But the Bitcoin Lightning Network is 100% Bitcoin.
I see traditional (haha, talking about crypto having traditions already) on-chain transactions for high value, low volume movements of coins. And Lightning (and BitPay, etc) solutions for low value, high volume.
Please explain how the Lightning Network loses most of the benefits of Bitcoin.
Insofar as you can save an asset, it's because you're defecting in a game where other people are actively using it to provide the future value you want to claim later. If everyone only ever saved Bitcoin, then who's going to buy it when you want to sell it later? Someone else who wants to store it forever?
The reason saving currency in a bank works for the economy is because they're loaning out the back to productive businesses and then giving you some of the interest. This doesn't work if you keep it under your bed/in a crypto wallet.
(Maybe you could solve it by paying people more to take risk, but I don't think interest is that attractive to people?)
Surely you're being sarcastic.
Drug dealing, sanction evasion, money laundering, murder for hire, and csam are not legitimate uses.
What’s left besides hodlers?
Also the only one I've ever seen; adult sites and sex work don't take crypto.
Bitcoin isn’t ideal for payments still and, speaking personally, I don’t want to ever be in the situation where I have tens of thousands of dollars that could permanently evaporate just because I forgot a code. So in practice I think most people would want custodians to facilitate payments or larger deposits. And it’s still possible for those custodians to make a purely technical fuck up and permanently lose funds in a way that is unrecoverable and irreversible but not possible in the current banking system.
Any coin with a fixed supply will be very deflationary which will make lending very difficult. Ever since we made it really hard to build new buildings and decided most early stage businesses are too risky for banks, it kinda seems like this isn’t as bad as it sounds. But, people are gonna want to do it sometimes and it will be hard. And you can’t rely on a basal protocol for a real world lending system because most real world loans can’t be fully/overcollateralized like with crypto (there is only a market for this because of tax avoidance that AFAIU is not even tested in court) and there is a real risk someone will not be able to pay it back, you need an oldschool system for stopping fraud and handling bankruptcies up to and including a guy with a gun taking away your toys.
If we’re gonna have custodians and a market for loans, I got bad news for you, some custodians will combine the two and pass on those benefits to consumers. If done with CD-like instruments this won’t change things much, until some bank gets this genius idea: if a lender and lendee make most of their payments within the same bank, you don’t actually need to debit the lender the full loan because most of that money will stay within the bank. And if lender-custodians all partner up they can fully debit all such loans. And then because lenders don’t get their accounts locked up, whether or not their balance is loaned and for how much can be completely abstracted and presented as a shared flat yield across all lenders at the bank… (this is a simplified version of modern banking)
Maybe it won’t be exactly like that, but I guarantee you, something banking-like will happen. And eventually a bank will fail because of bad risk management or a bank run. With crypto, it actually is feasible to do a huge bank run of all your money even if it’s millions of dollars, so it’ll be quick and sharp. Anybody who isn’t fast enough loses everything with no Fed to help them, we hit an extremely severe and instant deflationary depression where credit is completely unavailable, and there is no Fed to pass centralized monetary policy measures to fix it.
Instead of speedrunning digital Black Friday, I’d rather the Fed just let any individual meeting whatever reserve/audit/whatever requirements use any special facility available to member banks (or remove a facility if it cannot be offered as such). So rather than replace the system due to an unfair advantage, let everybody play by the same rules. If a bank can’t compete with that, they’re not a viable business. As a consumer I can better manage my risk within what is (to me) a very similar system. Ultimately, I want the Fed to be able to buy treasuries (print money) and raise/lower rates to control inflation because I’ve tried to learn as much as I can about banking history, economics, and crypto and this still seems like the most solid way to control inflation and prevent depressions.
Bitcoin hasn't solved corruption or unfair advantage, it just moves it out of the hands of the few politicians and bank executives in charge to the few running a handful of mining pools.
There are still people pulling the strings that can, and have, changed the rules along the way. Even the magic number of how many bitcoins will ever be produced can be changed, that limit is no more real than the gold standard that was killed with the stroke of a pen.
This is simple, straightforward, and disintermediatory, so I imagine everyone involved will fight to the death to prevent it happening.
With that said, as closely tied our government and the major banks are there might not be much functional difference from power they have today.
With credit cards, the government shouldn't know as they shouldn't be involved, but they almost certainly do because overreach. Congress could always pass a law to block that or an individual could sue and claim something similar to illegal search. As soon as the government is the bank there's no way to bifricate the two, the deal is done.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/select/irs-600-reporting-rule-delay... (From Feb 2023)
Nah, we'd see any lawsuits over violations of such a law get blocked due to standing issues or state secrets privilege, much like the lawsuits over the illegal and unconstitutional surveillance performed by the NSA.
Non American here.
They already know and/or could trivially find out. There's no more barrier to them finding out now then there would be if there was some new, nominally independent government entity involved. That is to say a very thin wall preventing what you describe.
I sometimes get the feeling we oftentimes allow for market absurdities to supposedly prevent the government from doing something that it regularly already does today, just as long as there's a 'business' somewhere in the chain.
Americans seem willing to pay more to private business and thus actually part with more of their money than they otherwise would, as long as on paper they're not giving the money to 'the government' see i.e. healthcare.
100% agree here. Today the US goverment, I won't attempt to speak towards any other government, has way too much power and ability to collect inflammation in it's citizens. We've allowed the government to assume that powers but we could also take that power away. If the government owns the bank there's literally no way to do that.
Healthcare here is a whole other massively broken system. In general yes I think it's a fair generalization that we would prefer to pay extra to avoid large governments, historically at least since we've done a really poor job keeping our federal government small for the last 80 years. It makes sense given our country's history though, and personally I'd rather pay a little more to a corporation than save a few bucks at the expense of living under a much more powerful centralized authority.
It's hardly "a little more" though. We're spending almost twice as much and get almost half as little back. Objectively speaking the capitalist market has failed in this area. We have to first accept this fact before we can find any solutions. If we keep thinking "government is bad" and "private industry is good" we're only allowing further exploitation and pain; and for what? We need to be data/solution driven.
Privatize the gains, socialize the losses.
It's rare to find a way to "no true Scotsman" as hard as communists, but you've managed it.
But to address your point: contrary to what you're implying, Medicare spending is actually lower on average relative to spending on 65+'s in other countries; in e.g. the NHS, they're 18% of the population and 40% of the spending[1]. i.e. per-person spending is much higher in retirees. Contrast this with the US where per-medicare-enrollee spending (13k) is almost the same as the average spending (12.5k), because the non-socialized (capitalist) part of the market pays so much more than in other developed countries, that it doesn't bring down the average despite the younger cohorts having many fewer health problems.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/01/ageing-brita...
Yes.
That said, developing countries are most likely to have one. If the government caps the number of doctors and hospitals in the country, like the US does with residencies and certificate of need laws, it's not very market-driven.
> There's no law that you can only have X doctors.
We have tons of these laws. All occupational licensing requirements are this law; that's the whole point of them.
It is a subsidy program:
https://hospitalmedicaldirector.com/how-residents-are-paid/
> We have tons of these laws.
Point me to one law that says you are not allowed to have more than X doctors.
Why can't we have doctors that other countries have agreed are qualified to be doctors?
Also, do you know how certificate of need laws work? It literally says you can't have a hospital unless the other nearby hospitals agree you can have it.
Taxi medallions are truly a "there can only be X many people doing this" system, but even if they're not written that way, these other laws are still intended to restrict the supply of healthcare.
nb my issue isn't whether the healthcare system is "socialist" or not, it's that it's bad. I don't think "just make the government pay for everything" is a solution to things costing too much though; if an ambulance ride costs $9000 the solution is to make it not cost that, not to share paying for it.
If an individual is willing/able to pay for the cost of residency that the gov covers there's nothing to prevent one to do so. Of course, this is not a practical solution for most, but that's another story.
> nb my issue isn't whether the healthcare system is "socialist" or not, it's that it's bad.
Agree, no argument there
> I don't think "just make the government pay for everything" is a solution to things costing too much though
Of course not, but if the capitalistic / private market has failed, I'd rather try a more gov-focused approach (or something else) than let it fester and cause more and more pain.
> if an ambulance ride costs $9000 the solution is to make it not cost that, not to share paying for it.
Agree, but how do you do that when the "ambulance lobby" owns the politicians and media who then try to convince the population that this is "the best system in the world"? You can't find a better system when you already think you have the best one (not saying you do) or that the "other" system is worse because it starts with an "s".
Objectively speaking the non-capitalist systems have failed in this area too. The UK’s NHS is not capitalist and it is surely isn’t succeeding better than the US healthcare system.
You can find countries where “socialist” healthcare works, but you can also find capitalist healthcare that works.
The NHS has been effectively privatized as much as the Conservatives could get away with. It is constantly underfunded. It is not an example of a system the government wants to make work. In fact making it not work is the goal.
Yet when a family member of mine needed a life saving operation, they got it promptly and it didn't send them into any debt, whereas in contrast there's something like 50k preventable deaths a year in the U.S. due to lack of healthcare and people of poor means actively avoid visiting the hospital, so the NHS still works better for the vast majority.
Yes, for us in the tech industry and for elective procedures it's not so great, but that also perhaps isn't what regular people need.
I love that term. If you prevent death one day, only for them to die the next, is that one preventable death? What if you do that five days in a row? Death is not preventable.
Extra years of quality life, I can get on board with. Especially because it sounds more manipulable, so you are more wary about it’s meaning.
To put 50k/annum in perspective, 3.5 million people died in the USA in 2021.
It’s a difficult area to come up with numbers for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34045778
> people of poor means
Don’t poor people get some free healthcare in the US - although relatively how good that care is compared with other countries I don’t know. I thought it was the middle class that lose everything.
Oh wait: that is what Canadian government did to tractor-trailer protesters a few years ago.
If the industries are moved into the government officially we really have given up that fight and have to accept whatever they give us. I assume it will be cake.
Pretend for a moment that Merrick receives a piece of memo from a subordinate that incriminates you in some form of bank fraud. Of course Merrick personally doesn't know anything about your bank account. Nobody has both the information and a brain big enough to store it. Hell, I have to check my own bank account regularly because I keep forgetting exactly how much is in there and it's my own money!
If something came across Merrick's desk and it convinced _him_ that it was worthwhile to investigate, do you really expect other than delays waiting for signed papers before he got the information he wanted? Do you really think there's a difference to Merrick whether he gets that information in 60 seconds by logging into your bank "as you" and looking at it, or whether he waits a few days and gets hand delivered a piece of paper by a bank's legal team?
[1] U.S. Attorney General and current chief law enforcement officer for the nation
There's some decentralization within the government also, if one branch wants something from another it (ideally) has to go the courts route too, it's not that every federal employee can just access any government records on a person, (at least in theory). If there's someone powerful enough taking interest in you to override that, I doubt a private bank is going to be a major obstacle.
I mean courts themselves are technically part of that system too. I am as cynical as the next person regarding government overreach, but I see little protection from a multi-national banking entity entangled with the government for decades in all sorts of ways.
If it was as 'easy' to start a bank as an ISP in the 90s, I could see it.
I don't think the Fed is "government" in the 4th amendment sense that it can just get information about you without a warrant, is it?
In an unrelated law, this is the reason child abuse reports from ISPs go to a private company called NCMEC. It's so law enforcement won't have automatically have access to private data in the reports without legal process.
There’s a massive difference between the data being theoretically available somewhere in your organization and “trivially” accessible vs actually being able to run a query (let alone the work to actually run the query).
With that said the unbanked crisis is severe and there are big societal benefits to insuring everyone has a checking and savings account. There’s no reason robust safeguards can’t be built into the law establishing the Bank of the United States (Third time is the charm!).
If you don't do this, the money supply gets a lot smaller.
Americans reject public healthcare because your average American has incredibly narrow view of the world, and many people buy lies about public health care in other places.
They simply buy the lie that propagandist are paid to spread that public health care includes 'death panels' or insanely long ER waits, or that you can't pick your doctor (can you now?).
The larger problem is that the government deals with things that are sufficiently complicated that they require dedicated time to understanding them and Americans aren't willing to do that on a scale that impacts government policy.
Americans spent $12,914 American dollars per capita in 2021 for health care costs. We pay over double per capita what Canadians pay.
Canada could increase the quality of the health care system by buying more services and paying more for services to increase quality.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/national-health-expenditure-trends-20... https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics-data-and-systems/sta...
I’ve had friends travel here just to get treated.
And a million+ Americans in border states travel to Mexico for routine procedures and prescriptions [0].
I imagine the numbers would be even higher if more Americans lived within travel distance of the southern border.
[0] https://www.npr.org/2023/03/08/1161888974/medical-tourism-me...
Most medical services are routine treatments that are the same wherever you go.People travel for special services, but special services don't represent most of that cost difference.
You're on the waiting list BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDED IT MORE. But I'm a Google developer I'm worth more to society! Who decides that? A death panel.
States don't have the power to control the currency itself, don't control the collection of three-letter agencies, and in general are meant to have more leeway to try new things than the federal government.
Narrow banking and central bank accounts for individuals aren’t the same thing.
In fact, most CDBC projects see a role for commercial banks as KYC, fraud prevention, user interface etc. providers. – just not money creation.
That boat has sailed. Private enterprises collect spending information[0], associate it with your identity and sell the aggregated data to anyone willing to pay. The FBI is on the record as willing to be pay for this data. This dystopia has the "free market/small government" seal of approval.
0. Which is why every retailer badgers you into joining their rewards program based or your phone number and/or email.
This level of indirection requires regulators who are always behind because of the extra layer.
Most of this information is for sale anyway.
It requires re-working the financial system from the ground up, and commitment to that new vision, because there isn't a graceful way to ease from fractional reserve to narrow banking or public accounts at the Fed, and there isn't a simple way back to our status quo from it.
Edit: I think technically the deposits where with the federal finance agency, i.e., lending to the federal republic. Don't think that matters for the discussion here.
In a crisis, it would make the narrow/public bank the natural place to drain deposits. (Similar to our SIFIs today.) As such, narrow banking would mean the end of commercial checking. That means we need to find non-bank providers of all the asset-side services, from lending to trade finance, banks currently provide. That's the re-tooling.
Do you have a source on the scope of what they did?
> some alternatives exist already, same for trade finance. I think the delta to the current state would be surprisingly small
The delta is tens of trillions of dollars. By no means insurmountable. But you don't want that changeover happening unexpectedly in a crisis.
German Bundesbank has a timeseries database you can drill into for banks' balance sheet and other data (easy to find).
Was actually the German finance agency (same thing for our purposes really, as only daily risk is sovereign Germany). There were claims that lobbying by banks killed it, but it was also not very attractive in a low yield environment. Ostensibly, it was created to broaden the funding base of the Federal Republic, I think.
This was the thing: https://www.deutsche-finanzagentur.de/bundeswertpapiere/bund...
> money storage with the respective sovereign (and daily liquidity)
You can buy overnight bills in most countries.
[1] https://www.investopedia.com/what-is-postal-banking-5217341
Wouldn't the graceful way be to... simply allow narrow banks to have fed accounts?
https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2019/03/fed-vs-narrow-ban...
No. As the Fed details, in a crisis, deposits would drain into the narrow bank. Permitting a narrow bank by itself is de-stabilising. (There are a myriad of solutions to the issues introduced. From paying a lower return on non-risk taking reserves to limiting accounts to natural persons. But the point is the systemic effects have to be thought out in advance.)
There is no profit motive and it’s a very technically simple offering that the Fed already supports or will soon support with FedNow: I have a table of people and balances, and I only support transactions between the two.
If a bank can’t figure out how to compete with 0% interest with no value add to attract deposits, IMO they shouldn’t exist.
Regional and local banks are far more likely to originate loans to local residents, especially for unique purposes. If somebody in flyover country wants a loan to start a business, it basically has to be a cookie cutter franchise or a large existing customer for a big coastal syndicate bank to even look at it. This is one reason, although not the only one, why outfits like Dollar General are eating the downscale retail market when it used to be local general stores.
The advent of online banking and digital payments added enough value that there was really no reason to continue to be unbanked or underbanked for most people. But IMO banks have begun to take depositors for granted by offering poor interest rates and exposing us to more risk than necessary (certainly more than justifies checking or savings rates). With the recent spat of bank failures roughly coinciding with crypto, which also provides online banking and digital payment functionality, the Fed/banks need to recognize that there is a real risk that depositors will opt back out of traditional banking.
I think a shift off the dollar and onto crypto would be much worse (personally, but also for banking) than the Fed offering a path to digital mattress stuffing of the USD, because at least with that they can still influence monetary policy and keep people on the dollar. I also suspect, but have no data, that our shift towards structurally low rates and high asset prices over the last half century was partially influenced by banks’ relative share of the monetary supply increasing so much that too many deposits are stuck chasing yield/credit is too accessible for activities perceived as low risk: so if some deposits shift onto a Fed narrow bank, banks will at least find it easier to loan and offer interest at higher rates. But even beside that, I as an individual should not be obligated to deposit my money into a banking system that gives me poor risk:reward - and when better options exist, I might not. So the banks and Fed better figure out something better than crypto or a fireproof safe.
It was mostly killed by the FDIC, which allowed private banks access to what was its competative advantage.
There's a proposal to revive the postal banking service in Congress every year or so; but thus far none have gone anywhere.
Oh yeah, the bipartisan bribes.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/visa-inc/summary?id=D000029...
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/mastercard-inc/summary?id=D...
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/jpmorgan-chase-co/summary?i...
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/bank-of-america/summary?id=...
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/citigroup-inc/summary?id=d0...
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/wells-fargo/summary?id=D000...
Problem is, this takes a lot of money out of the economy if it catches on. That likely will reduce investment, and damage the economy. So regulators dislike narrow banking.
I suppose the Fed could try to make the circle slightly rounder here, but they may look at the hundreds of billions of dollars in such funds, which are by nature extremely "narrow" quasi-banking devices (because they only support a tiny form of maturity transformation, in asset type and term length), and decide "good enough, economic needs of this kind met"
I have been told that the Chinese government own the big Chinese banks. Is this a good or bad thing? (Or am I mistaken?)
As an investor, I presume you’d be better off with the current situation, even when there are occasional hair cuts.
When most folks(US and China) don't have spare cash to bet with, safe retail banking is incredibly important. In the US, tons of service workers take their paycheck with cashapp because so many retail offerings for low earners are notorious sharks with punishing overdraft fees and account minimums.
If people in a society are required to participate in an institution, there should be options for people that are not profit motivated. Anything profit motivated will also be motivated by increased profit which in turn will cannibalize their userbase when rate of profit declines, which almost always sends many people into the woodchipper until it is corrected. This should not be the default.
Actually -funding- the developers is an entirely different matter however. They are partially funded through pre-purchases of off-the-plan apartments, this is then leveraged mostly through bonds, primarily sold to said private banking sector but largely to off-shore buyers seeking high yield corporate paper.
The SOEs and large Chinese banks like ICBC, BOC, HSBC and insurance/finance provides like Ping An have largely kept their distance for the last decade - in part because of that risk adversity and very large safety capital requirements that prevent them from owning such high risk debt. China -did- learn their lessons from 2008, unfortunately they have fallen victim to other ways of generating extreme financial leverage.
Right now the de-leveraging is still happening, the Three Red Lines stipulations have been relaxed somewhat in the last few months to try ease up pressure on the real-estate market during global downturn but are still limiting debt expansion in the sector.
I would say they have successfully staved off a crash/collapse but I would expect the real-estate market in China to enter a long period of stagnation at this point.
What I’m proposing is less like a full service bank and more like a lockbox or mattress where you can stuff dollars for later. You wouldn’t get interest (or if you did it would be tiny) in this system, because the money would not be lent or otherwise put to work like it is in normal banking
In the worst case everyone comes asking for their money right now, and we know this is impossible to be satisfied.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/ba...
From what I can see, private equity firms are actually even worse. It’s curious that no major shareholder has sued any of those for breach of fiduciary duty.
It’s kind of dumb tbh
I keep seeing this jargon, and I have to admit I don't know what it means?
To expand your balance sheet means to load up on assets. In the parent comment's specific example, it means that the bank could simply hold onto the money it makes, rather than paying that money out as bonuses to the executives or dividends to the shareholders. This would give the bank a better cash cushion to weather a storm (e.g. interest rates rising unexpectedly, account holders pulling out their deposits, etc.)
So "expanding their balance sheet" here translates to "keeping the money"
It's worth noting that you can also expand your balance sheet by buying any assets: spending the money on real estate, government bonds, or even using the money to buy your own company stock would also expand the balance sheet, as long as the company retains ownership of those assets.
But for people familiar with basic business terminology, it communicates something else, too.
In business, there's a core belief that money at rest is money wasted. You generally want to use your money to buy something rather than letting it pile up. Saying that you're using the money to "expand your balance sheet" implies that we shouldn't think of that money as merely idle, undeployed capital - in fact, it's being used for a very specific purpose: to make the business healthier. Companies with healthier balance sheets are better prepared to handle unexpected scenarios, and their stock is more attractive to investors.
A closer layman's translation might be, "keeping the profits, to make the business healthier."
I've actually silently been wondering about this phrase for years!
The Odd Lots podcast recently had an episode "Is It Time For Public Checking Accounts at the Fed?":
> When Silicon Valley Bank failed, the government stepped in and guaranteed that all accounts — even those well above the FDIC threshold for deposit insurance — would be made whole. So now people are wondering whether all accounts at every bank are implicitly guaranteed, regardless of their size. But if they are, then what is the point of private, for-profit retail banking? On this episode of the podcast, we speak with Saule Omarova, a professor at Cornell Law School. She had been nominated by President Biden to head the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, but was forced to withdraw due to fierce opposition from the banking lobby. That opposition was based, in part, on her endorsement of public checking accounts at the Federal Reserve. But what was a seemingly "out there" view a year ago, is now firmly within the Overton Window of political possibilities. On this episode, we discuss the SVB disaster, what it means for banking, and the case for a public option.
* https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/odd-lots-40661/episodes/i...
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zkzpz9aK3I
* Also on Apple Podcasts, etc.
Transcript:
* https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-23/transcrip...
Don't credit unions already provide this service?
It's a failure to diversify investments and adequately respond to a changing interest rate environment.
> * the solution seems to be to create ever larger banking behemoths (on the premise that they they can better manage risks)
Regulation alone can fix it. Just place further controls on how banks can invest their funds (ie. recommended allocation percentages per instrument and risk type), require stringent reporting, and perform stress tests to verify compliance.
The scary thing now is that banks with depreciated assets know they're in this zombie state. They just haven't been pushed over yet.
It'd be easy to find out which banks these are.
Might make for a questionably ethical opportunity to short banking stocks...
That seems entirely ethical to me.
To be clear, the rules they lobbied out of wouldn’t have forced them to hedge. They would have drawn attention to the problem much earlier.
1. assume the liabilities of the banking system (complete in 2008)
2. induce consolidation of the industry into a few megabanks with the "systemically important" designation making small banks dangerous (in progress)
3. use the government protection as leverage to make these few remaining banks obey government priorities without ever having to pass a law. e.g. effective censorship of entities the government doesn't like by cutting off from the banking system entirely (the goal)
Ala fascism. Government control of private business without government actually owning those businesses.
A government "controlling" megacorps also need to balance these megacorps & other mega-influencers so that no one group becomes too powerful and too dissatisfied enough to overturn the current ruling system. Megacorps like Google obviously have plenty of tools at their disposal even in a democracy with "fair & free & secure elections" via shadow-banning, increasing prices/costs, curtailing suggestions, labeling disinformation, decreasing visibility, etc., to attempt to sway public opinion sufficiently to cause a desirable election outcome. This is before even attempting to actually sway elections via election rigging, ballot stuffing, etc., or bypass elections entirely through some sort of pseudo-paramilitary action (e.g. coup).
Of course, the more blatant these actions become, the more the interests of the other important influences can come into play (e.g. if Google ever did attempt a paramilitary coup, they would need heavy support elsewhere to ensure the military or the States didn't stop it), whereas Google shadow-banning certain political views can go largely ignored if it's not perceived by the public to matter much.
The reason that IRS and SEC enforcement actions are harsher on small actors is because they break the law in much more obvious and stupid ways. e.g. not declaring taxable income and writing off obviously personal expenses. Large companies do not do this because the IRS splits penalties with whistleblowers, and any major company hiding income this way would be snitched out in a millisecond by their employees looking for the multi million dollar payout. Large companies do things that exploit loopholes and gray areas in the law, and the IRS is much more inclined to settle when their is a chance they may lose in court if they take it all the way.
But my point, which I keep making and you keep missing is that the incredible legal muscle of big banks means they don't have to worry about giving in on gray areas because they can effectively fight back. Whereas smaller companies will find it a lot simpler to give in to government pressure on the edge cases.
Now perhaps you don’t care if a gun dealer can’t get a bank account but every 4 years there’s a presidential election and maybe the next person wants to cut off abortion clinics from the banking system.
The regulatory toothlessness of the government means that the businesses can de facto write their own laws.
Same thing is happening in healthcare with the takeover there by a few religiously affiliated corporations, which will affect everyone's choices about their own healthcare.
We've been screaming about how the government is horrible since Reagan in the 1980s and we're on the cusp of really bearing the fruits of that decades long shift of power to completely unaccountable corporations.
But yeah, its the government which is still obviously the problem.
Gathering everything in a big bad bucket is indeed just hiding it until the next crisis. Gotta wonder what size of crisis this will eventually cause, not sure if I want to be around when it happens.
But:
> People famously have the political systems that they deserve.
I'm not sure most people through history or right now really have had much say in what political system they live under.
If the excrements hit the atmospheric propulsion devices, governments can always re-institute a gold standard, but that just moves the pain from the haves to the have-nots.
There is certainly a significant number of people who just want to keep their money safe. They would happily pay 50 or 100 USD per month for an actual bank service where your money is just stored and not lend out to someone else.
They gave very little explanation for why the application took dramatically longer than normal before eventually being rejected. I believe the reason effectively boiled down to "we don't like your business model"
“Can we have narrow banking?” “No!” “Okay, how about not taking actions that cause massive consolidation in the banking industry and systemic issues?” “Also no.”
Spot on about cheap deposits funding lending and bank ops.
https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/safest-bank-fed-wont-san...
If the Fed keeps trying to fix failed banks through indirect money printing (covering uninsured deposits by overpaying for treasuries/MBS) they could lose control of inflation and be unable to further raise rates. That seems like a worse outcome for the average person than a slightly higher cost of capital from banks having to compete with narrow banking. And the Fed should hope for narrow banking at that point because it would be the easiest to manage compared to the other options like physical cash, crypto, and other currencies.
> If the Fed keeps trying to fix failed banks through indirect money printing (covering uninsured deposits by overpaying for treasuries/MBS)
Is this happening? The uninsured deposits are being covered by the FDIC insurance fund, which is funded by the banks. None of it is coming from the fed.
The Fed is trying to stop them at all costs.
Realistically, who would these people be?
$50-$100/mo is quite a substantial amount for just a banking fee, so it would have to be people rich enough that it's not a showstopper. But people that rich have no problem moving their money to investment accounts where they can do much better on return, so they wouldn't be customers of this.
America is no Argentina or Lebanon.
Adding lots of high-value accounts & making lots of loans is one thing, but diversifying the investment appropriately should be mission #1 for funds.
Canada has a system like this, although it is very well regulated and hasn’t so far blown up. What it does do though is give very little competition or choice to the consumer. The Canadian bank oligopoly is only slightly less horrible than the Canadian telecom oligopoly. Both are as anti free market competition as you get. It looks like the U.S. banking system is headed the same way.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-explainer-1...
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/22/613390275...
So it's not that we assume bigger banks can better manage risk, we are simply, currently regulating them to manage risk better.
But if "the answer" you are referring to is to prevent consolidation in banking, then I think it's not quite as cut-and-dry. Regulation, especially risk-management regulations, can act as barriers to entry and create an environment that favors larger/established institutions leading to market consolidation. As an over simplification by a layman, it could look something like:
- Higher regulation constrains profitability and raises fixed costs of running a bank (compliance burden).
- This means that the amount of assets under control by a bank has to be higher in order for the bank to be profitable.
- This higher floor reduces the likelihood new banks start (since the asset requirements to be profitable are higher).
- Existing banks, in an effort to increase profits, acquire and merge with other banks.
These final two trends (less banks starting, more MnA's) are what could drive market consolidation. In a lot of ways Airlines are an example of this in a different industry.I am definitely _not_ suggesting small banks should be exempted from Dodd-Frank like they were. I actually found the 2018 deregulation disturbing and disappointing. I am only trying to illustrate that even if 2018 hadn't happened, I don't know for sure if there would be more competition in the banking industry. (Only that the banks we do have would be less risky)
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/deposit-insurance-encourages-ba... - argues the FDIC and Fed encourages poor investment of money by banks.
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-silicon-valley-bank-bailout... - attacks the decision makers in the Fed and Treasury.
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-biden-bank-failures-s... - argues the government is lying when it says it won't tax Americans to bail out these banks.
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/barney-frank-signature-bank-fai... - highlights Bernie Frank (of Dodd Frank) interviews saying the Fed has it in for crypto.
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-proven-way-to-avoid-moral-haz... - the FDIC should not fully pay our deposits beyond the limits. (Written by a former FDIC chairman)
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fdic-should-act-like-a-real... the FDIC should act like a normal insurance company and base cost to insur based on risk. (Former currency comptroller and FDIC member)
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-reserve-michael-barr-se... and https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fed-absolves-itself-silicon... say the Fed is deflecting blame from itself. The article basically blams the Fed for being asleep at the wheel.
It might have been a little tough for some of them, but most would just shrug it off. I do not understand why government and other banks are so anxious about a bank or two failing? Is it because all other banks are also rotten and leveraged?
It would likely cause people and companies with uninsured money in other banks to pull their funds out, quite possibly leading to cascading failures even for banks that are perfectly smart and healthy today.
The simple fact is that no bank can survive a run. Not a single one. Because that's how the business works.
IMO the best offramp from the systemic problem is to announce a schedule to phase out any protection for uninsured deposits. Say, 100% insurance for the next 6 months, declining by 1% per month after that, phased out completely in 8ish years.
Slow enough to avoid panic and dramatic swings while allowing the industry to create new products and address the market need.
Better this kind of limited draw out than having to rescue banks left and right and having huge amounts of regulation which can never fully stop these kind of events.
Depositors shouldn't have to do due-dilligence on their bank. It might be something worth doing if you're going to park a large amount of money in the bank about the $250k insurance cap, but otherwise it shouldn't be necessary.
The investors should be doing this. And if they get wiped out, too bad.
There are also ways to spread money over $250k so it stays insured. What we have here is essentially making the $250k cap meaningless for these "too big to fail" banks. The problem is nobody really knows if their bank is considered a "systemic risk" or not. Nor should they have to care.
The proven with the "let the people who made poor decisions lie in the bed they made" is that it creates a panic where they lght our beds on fire. Maybe we "deserve" it too, but that doesn't seem like great public policy.
They should have known about the 250k limit and not exceeded it in the first place, but I didn't say they should lose their money.
I said the cap is irrelevant. Everyone with SVB got all their money back. Even if you had $20 million in the account at SVB, you got it back. When, technically, you are only supposed to get back $250k.
So the rule is applied arbitrarily, depending on what is or is not a "systemic risk".
If a rural bank fails and people have more than 250k in their accounts, they will lose it.
If SVB or First Republic fails, they won't.
This case is a little different in that JP Morgan bought the whole thing. Which is just leading to further consolidation in the really TBTF banks.
The thing is I wonder if there really is a bank "too big to fail". The rich people who have their money in that bank will not go hungry if the money is gone. Most companies will not go bankrupt if the cash they have in the bank is gone. They might have a rough time, but the company could issue new shares or lend from another bank or sell a building they own and rent it back of whatever, but all the clients of a bank will not disappear just because their bank and some of their cash in that bank does disappear.
In my opinion it's worse with all the hoolabaloo when things like this happens and central banks and governments start to talk it's "too big to fail" and they want to rescue banks, lower interest rates, print money etc like in 2008 and the stock market tanks 50%. Just because some loud rich people at banks would lose their money. Most companies in the world would do just fine without JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs.
I agree with you that the solution could have been just the FDIC assuming control of the bank which would have put pressure on the FDIC's reserves but, large banks generally have been buying out smaller banks to become larger and this has been going on for decades. What could have been going on behind the scenes is that large banks were being pressured to buy it out similar to 2008.
We apparently like to trade noticeably frequent (but still fairly infrequent) small failures for rare catastrophic failures. The key here is that these rare catastrophic failures are rare enough that we can pretend they won't happen. Enough time goes by between incidents that we have time to forget and claim ignorance.
Eventually humanity will pool all risk in one basket so big that when it breaks we will go extinct. The end.
Like you say, it pushes risks to the tail (lower probability). Low probability - high impact events are easily mis-priced and thus this becomes a rent extraction channel.
Removing competition by acquisitions means the market can be distorted more easily. Another source of non-earned profit.
But there are also subtler benefits:
Gigantism creates de-facto regulatory capture (how could a lowly government bureaucrat go against the "giant"?). Such leverage versus rule-makers can be tweaked to optimize... wait for it, further risk-less profit.
Finally, "giants" can offer excess compensation and prestige to attract key talented individuals, essentially a scorched earth strategy to suppress any other actors.
All-in-all a horrible pattern that doesn't really offer any benefit (besides to the few insiders in the top of the pyramid). Delivering innovative products or services requires a certain scale but that is typically an order of magnitude smaller than observed sectoral concentrations.
Why is it happening if it is so toxic? Well, society is stupid. More stupid in fact than many (if not most) of its individuals.
The hope is that there is a sufficient number of independently evolving societies so that low-IQ societies imbibing on toxic stuff go extinct (not physically, as a cultural pattern).
I feel like message boards like reddit/HackerNews are notorious for over-simplifying any topic. It's "reductionist".
"How could these paid professionals consider themselves qualified?! As somebody not in that field without any insider knowledge or specific details into why hard decisions with tradeoffs were made, I know better, it's taught in economics 101!"
My last employer we managed money for community banks. I actually created the system that generated interest rate shock reports that showed the impact to a portfolio of fixed income assets for interest rate shocks of -300 to +300 basis points.
Nobody thought interest rates would go +300 bp in such a short amount of time, especially in the short end of the yield curve.
Banks essentially have 2 portfolios. Their loan portfolio is where they take the risk and it goes up and down with the traditional business cycle. Their fixed income portfolio is supposed to be almost no risk.
They were whipsawed by the fed that lowered interest rates so quickly that it forced banks to buy longer-duration securities to just find any kind of yield within the regulatory constraints they were allowed to buy. Then the fed raised interest rates even more quickly causing staggering losses in the "almost no risk" fixed income portfolios of banks.
Expect a lot more banks to be taken over even with the emergency backstops the fed has put into place. Look what the Fed did:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bst_recenttren...
In 2008 the Fed flooded the economy with $2 trillion. In 2020 the Fed jumped up and flooded the economy with an additional $7 trillion. In September 2022 they started taking that money back (which incidentally led to tech company layoffs). As of March 2023 they removed about $600 billion. Then they suddenly put over half of that right back into the economy when SVB failed.
It's impossible to predict or even appropriately react to what the Federal Reserve is doing.
Respectfully, you have misunderstood the situation.
This has almost nothing to do with duration matching assets and liabilities. That's how it works on the loan portfolio side of a bank. This has to do with how bonds work.
If you buy $10MM of a bond with a 3% coupon and rates for the same duration bond go to 5% then you have a significant capital loss. Depending on how you classified the investment under FASB 115 rules (HTM, AFS, Trading) you can telegraph to the market that your capital situation is dire which can then cause a run on the bank as we've seen multiple times in the last several weeks.
The only thing that makes the whole jenga tower stable is the fact it's all interdependent. E.G: to diminish your exposure, you take a swap with some other entity, and if everybody do that enough, the risk is averaged on the entire economy.
So from the inside, it's worse than it looks from the outside.
And mind you, the client I do that for is one of the most serious in the business. They are extremely risk adverse, and they have been acting nothing but honestly, at least at the level I can observe.
They are so by-the-book we have once found an error in $FAMOUS_DATA_PROVIDER calculations, because we thought we made a mistake, and we looked for it until we realized the data we compared ourselves to was wrong.
So if they manage half a trillion by using excel FORECAST.LINEAR and Matlab interp, imagine what is done by JP Morgan.
Ultimately it's poor risk management. If you take depositor funds and buy 10-30 year bonds with them then you're exposed to a run on the bank and rising interest rates will devalue your bonds. The bank instead could've rolled 30-90 day Fed funds instead but they didn't. Why? Lower yield.
Put another way: the bank took a risk with depositor funds and they get wiped out because of it while depositors are fine.
> the solution seems to be to create ever larger banking behemoths
Yes and no. At the heart of this is fractional reserve banking, which has been wildly successful. Like any kind of risk-spreading business (including insurance) bigger is generally better because variance is less and everything becomes more predictable.
I understand (and agree with) concerns about consolidation creating an oligopoly.
Ultimately though, what backstops the entire financial system is the government. This was true before and it's true now. The Federal Reserve is even called the lender of last resort.
This is the real issue. Bigger institutions aggregate risk.
Their reasoning was that if a bank with "only" 250 billion of deposits fails it will not have a systemic effect on the economy. That reasoning was really dumb and now that a couple of medium banks failed the stupidity of that reasoning is obvious for everyone to see. Of course wiping out 250 billion dollars of deposits will cause a bank panic and will have an overall negative effect on the economy, and the fed is working hard to make sure this does not happen.
But generally speaking smaller banks are not by nature riskier. They only got riskier because they passed themselves this law that allowed them to get riskier. And now they will get a reputation for being riskier, and since in banking reputation is everything, they will become riskier.
This sentiment is widely expressed, but it seems absurd and offensive to me. Citizens of countries such as Finland, Switzerland and Singapore enjoy much superior quality of government to what we have in the US. Does that mean Americans are ethically or intellectually inferior to Finns, Swiss, and Singaporeans? The government of Pakistan is not very good: does that mean Pakistanis are less ethical or intelligent?
I don't think that necessarily translates to the median individual.
The difficulty is that it is a collective phenomenon - as you can establish fairly easily by picking somebody from society X and embedding them in society Y.
Ofcourse there is no collective without individuals, so ultimately it is aspects of individually adopted ethical codes and behaviors that it is responsible for a poor collective organization.
A standalone computer that operates reasonably but is connected to other computers via a broken API's will lead to overall broken network operations.
There is also something we might call a society's "intellectual constitution", the collective ability to execute required changes, devise institutions and tools etc. But this is subordinated to the ethical dimension (where there is a will there is always a way).
only in the US there are voters and political donors/lobbyist.
Other developed countries only have voters decide on election outcome & policy.
This just balloons up giants which are too big to fail.
The end result as always: More money printing.
The genie was let out of the bottle in 2008 and will not be put back:
You linked to a chart showing a 10% decrease in the monetary base from peak, even including the run-up since February.
There are many reasonable issues with this purchase and sale. But “money printer go brr” isn’t a particularly insightful nor relevant one.
I think for most people having something like the gold standard seems much more plausible.
Having a flexible supply of the settlement currency is a pretty new experiment. Not even 100 years old. And it has ended in desasters around the world multiple times already.
We don’t vote on individual drug approvals, either.
Some people have a broad vendetta against the Fed and fiat currency. That is fine. But shoehorning it into every discussion, even when it isn’t relevant, doesn’t advance anything. This is a bank failure being resolved with public-private participation within the FDIC’s framework with support from the OCC. There are smart things one can say about the FHLBs, TBTF and liquidity ratios. (You pointed out centralisation. That’s a smart thing to discuss!) There isn’t much relevance to the monetary base, however, unless we’re speculating on the next rate rise.
Not having a flexible currency supply causes separate problems as people run out of specie. Furthermore the counterfactuals for 2008 and 2020 look .. bad.
Well the global economy and most national ones were in a permanent boom and bust cycle between at least the mid to late 18th century and the Great Depression.
The gold standard was never stable, just look at:
https://www.officialdata.org/us/inflation/1800?amount=1#:~:t....
Just instead of steadily (well prior to 2020 anyway) going up all the time like now the worth of currencies was swinging up and down in a wildly volatile and unpredictable manner every few years..
You should compare today's figures with 2010 figures, not the ones from a year ago.
Nobody will argue we didn’t print money in the last decade. Per unit of GDP, we have 22% more money than we had ten years ago [1].
Implying recent bank failures are causing that to increase is false, and in some ways backwards.
It’s convention because it cancels out a lot of noise. (Both nominal.) And there are practical reasons for a larger economy needing more money to work than a smaller one. But if you prefer, it can be calculated in various ways, all of which tell a similar story: we’ve been in a different regime for the last 1 to 3 years in which there is less money, and a regime before that since 2008 when there was a lot more money.
It's precisely the opposite, because the money printer is now a money vacuum, a lot of banks have solvency issues.
Money printing would have saved FNB.
because the money printer is now a money vacuum
Depends on your definition of "now". (Related: "How Long Is the Coast of Britain?")The printing of unprecedented amounts of money from 2008 to now created those low yields the banks are seeing. And now there was a tiny increase in yields the banks go under.
This would not have happened with a stable supply of the base currency.
We spent millennia with examples of stable, metal currencies and bank failures. Then, like now, bankers chased risks. First Republic financed long-term Treasuries. Romans financed eastern fineries [1]. Many others blew capital on kings’ failed wars.
Booms and busts are inherent to money and credit, this is a foundational learning every industrialised non-Malthusian society learned fast and, in many cases, including our own, the hard way.
[1] https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/financial-crisis-th...
https://www.officialdata.org/us/inflation/1800?amount=1#:~:t....
or even in the 18th century:
https://www.in2013dollars.com/UK-inflation
The counter-swings just created an illusion of longterm stability. But it definitely didn't feel that way for people living on the ground (of course a lot of that is down to unstable food supply and not just the monetary system. Not that it was avoidable, you can't really have a fiat currency without a stable and somewhat reliable government anyway).
You wouldn't have had a stable fractional banking system prior to the 1930s anyway. So yeah, in a way you're right.
Generally financial systems are much more stable nowadays than they were under the gold standard.
The underlying issue is that even uninsured risks in banks must de-facto be largely covered by some central authority (whether FDIC or otherwise) otherwise the whole system is at serious risk of pretty catastrophic failure. The interaction of the lack of (formal) insurance for large deposits and the fluidity of those deposits make bank runs at the first sign of serious risk inevitable.
How important that problem is - I'm not informed enough to have an opinion on. But that problem didn't start in 2008, that's for sure. I am curious as to what actual subject matter experts think ideal solutions would be, and what haphazard lobbyist inspired patch-job we'll actually get.
One huge, positive difference between 2008 and now: owners aren’t being bailed out. Stock and bondholders in 2008 got rescued. Not this time.
In February, First Republic had a $40bn enterprise value [1]. That is largely, if not entirely, gone. (JPMorgan acquired “substantially all of the assets of First Republic Bank,” so there will still be scraps to fight over.)
It's 15 years later, and I don't recall the details, but I'm pretty sure that at least one of the big players went down in a way that the stockholders got zero.
Yes, the banks that outright failed. But e.g. Bear Stearns got a bit of a sweetheart deal.
Shares of those banks play a much larger role in index funds, retirement accounts, etc than First Republic or SVB. The major banks are so tightly coupled that if one fell most of the others would have, and the very debt that created our currency in the first place would have disappeared.
Whether bailing out the banks in 2008 was a net positive won't be known for a while. We're still dealing with the blowback from 2008 and we can't know whether the bailouts saved us from further pain or pushed it under the rug and made the pain worse later.
Just like cookies on a website, banks should be required to give depositors a clear and easy way to choose whether their money will be lent out.
Will that mean less lending overall? Yes. Will that be good for the economy? Yes, because it’ll couple inputs and outputs more closely.
Moreover, depositors who do use banks to lend should be given a prospectus and information comparable to stocks.
Deposit insurance is a moral hazard. It encourages people to be reckless with where they put their money.
I like the idea of banks giving consumers a prospectus, but I should point out that publicly traded banks do, every three months, in the form of a quarterly earnings statement. How many people use it as such, I’m not sure.
I understand what you're saying. It's worth noting that the needs of the depositor are below the needs of the system itself.
In a system where mortgages didn’t exist, maybe houses would be more affordable for people.
Fractional reserve banking began when the banks started converting the deposits to issue loans without the depositor’s knowledge or consent… and that’s largely the way it remains.
The vast majority of the population would not have the time or ability to digest and perform a comparative analysis between countless pages of bank prospectuses. We put that effort into stocks now. Most use some variety of funds, often suggested by general guidance from 401k plans based on a vague risk tolerance and retirement goals.
Ultimately I don’t care if people change their behavior, but I’m offended by the fact that I’ve opened several accounts in my life and none have clearly indicated that they don’t keep most of my money. I’ve even read a couple sets of the papers that come with an account and they didn’t seem to say anything about it.
As far as I’m concerned banking is fraud / conversion.
In effect, your deposit is directly, causally linked to the ability of the bank to keep more interest _earning_ loans on the books; i.e. your deposit helps back those loans, and were it not for deposit insurance (assuming your account is below the limit) you would be on the hook for risks the bank took.
Your deposits are thus both necessary, and (barring FDIC) risk-carrying when it comes to the loans the bank makes. Isn't that in essence "your" deposit being lent out? If not in a literal sense; then at least what's the value in emphasizing the distinction?
Btw, the expansion of the monetary base has a lot more to do with the Fed paying interest on excess reserves than on rescuing a few banks here and there.
See https://www.cato.org/working-paper/floored or https://www.mercatus.org/macro-musings/floors-and-corridors
This is good. We need to get everything down to a sufficiently small number of big banks so that "too big to fail" also means "so big that even the most ardent small-government anti-regulation leave everything up to the market people in Congress are afraid to deregulate them".
Also this is the second largest bank failure in US history.
“As a result of this transaction, JPMorgan Chase expects to:
Recognize an upfront, one-time, post-tax gain of approximately $2.6 billion, which does not reflect the approximately $2.0 billion dollars of post-tax restructuring costs anticipated over the next 18 months
[…]
The transaction is expected to be modestly EPS accretive and generate more than $500 million of incremental net income per year, not including the approximately $2.6 billion one-time post-tax gain or approximately $2.0 billion of post-tax restructuring costs expected over the course of 2023 and 2024.”
https://www.jpmorganchase.com/ir/news/2023/jpmc-acquires-sub...
People acting like the world is ending when the reality is this is a classic run on banks. There's still a ton of outstanding loans that will be now paying Chase for the next 20-30 years. Larger banks can more easily accommodate depositor withdrawals.
It's not like the subprime mortgage crises at all but even that turned out a net profit for the feds when all was said and done.
Maybe they erred in allowing all that FDIC uninsured money, but somebody would have to!
- Acquisition of the substantial majority of First Republic Bank’s assets, including approximately $173 billion of loans and approximately $30 billion of securities
- Assumption of approximately $92 billion of deposits, including $30 billion of large bank deposits, which will be repaid post-close or eliminated in consolidation
- FDIC will provide loss share agreements covering acquired single-family residential mortgage loans and commercial loans, as well as $50 billion of five-year, fixed-rate term financing
- JPMorgan Chase is not assuming First Republic’s corporate debt or preferred stock
https://www.jpmorganchase.com/ir/news/2023/jpmc-acquires-sub...
I was a customer there for ~12 years through multiple companies. Hope everyone I've worked with is okay.
Private Bank is their product for HNW clients (https://privatebank.jpmorgan.com/)
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-04-26/first-...
FRB had announced 25% layoffs last week. Is that still on the table? Does it go higher?
FRB is one of the largest leasers of commercial office space in SF at 150,000 sqft*. Is it expected that there will be significant reduction here? Or business as usual?
* https://www.crexi.com/insights/the-san-francisco-commercial-...
Correct. JPMorgan “is not assuming First Republic’s corporate debt or preferred stock” [1]. Including that debt, the total value vaporised could be up to $40bn [2].
That said, JPMorgan acquired “substantially all of the assets of First Republic Bank,” so there will be scraps to fight over.
[1] https://www.ft.com/content/0c61a540-e6be-4bca-8054-841d99837...
> First Republic estimated as of Dec. 31 that its assets were worth about $27 billion less than their carrying value. So figure its assets are worth something like $206 billion on a good day.
So I'm wondering where the gap is.
> Meanwhile it has ... about $105 billion of secured borrowing from the Federal Reserve and Federal Home Loan Bank system.
Presumably JPMorgan is assuming FR's debt to the these central banks?
The important thing to the people who deposited money is that they get made whole, but the shareholders will still get nothing (or a nominal sum) so they still have an incentive to hold the bank executives accountable in the future.
Additionally their own slides on the transaction highlight an "IRR > 20%." Who knows how they calculated that. Either way, JPM is definitely not losing money on this.
Well, the FDIC anticipate a total cost of $13B, right? Which will be paid by assessment on member banks, including JPMorgan.
WSJ editorial on above - https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fed-absolves-itself-sil... - https://archive.is/drchc
One Bank to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.
Financial monopolization of the economy will not end well.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/357...
[0] https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2018/05/29/regulatory-reform...
One of the problems of the last bank run: the remaining banks were unwilling to grant any new loans - because they were afraid to take up any new risks. Is it possible that we will we see something similar?
It seems a bit laughable that funny money accounting is allowed to be reported as facts. The loaf of bread I bought 4 weeks ago for $1 that is now stale and mouldy is neither worth $1 nor should be on my balance sheet as worth $1.
Assuming the interest rate is around 4-5% as it is now, that means the building is worth a couple hundred thousand less than $10MM. That’s the definition of “slightly less” in the exact scenario you set up.
If you think a couple hundred grand doesn’t matter you are free to wire it to me at your leisure.
Now make six months into six years or sixteen years and you understand the problem better.
The problem is that this full repayment is a decade or more away, and in the meantime you’re receiving a pittance of interest compared to investments you could make today. So if you can’t afford to wait, the bonds you’re holding aren’t worth their full value to anyone you could sell them to.
Bonds are easy to value if you assume full timely repayment, take the net present value of each payment, and that's what it's worth. (You may disagree about the NPV, if you disagree about the interest rate to use, but the shape of the calculation is clear) Sure, at redemption, it will be worth something else, but USD today and USD in a year are not the same unit, you need a conversion.
More to come.
The last 3 years of monetary policy have been the biggest destructive f-up ever imaginable. Printing endless money causing the collapse of the value of the dollar, causing serious inflation, to an insane raise in rates to try to undo the damage which (1) not only destroys the entire banking sector and tech industry, and (2) did absolutely nothing to fix the destruction of the USD.
Inflation has dipped to 5% and unemployment is lower than in decades.
For all its faults, American monetary policy has been better than that of most other developed countries. The ECB went 11 years without raising interest rates.
After each adjustment, people change their behavior to fit the new conditions. That changes the conditions and sows the seeds of the next problem. So there always has to be a next adjustment coming. Those periodic adjustments are what keeps the system stable - but they don't feel like stability, because the system isn't statically stable.
The Fed chair is nominated by the president. The last president used his bully pulpit repeatedly to strongly criticize Powell for not lowering rates to zero like other countries. I suspect there was other behind the scenes influence taking place too. The current president and Congress basically doubled down on inflationary activity, helicoptering even more money to individuals and corporations. Powell was probably not operating independently as the Fed is supposed to.
FRB was solvent and had plenty of liquidity if the FDIC didn't force kill it. The FDIC just wanted to flex its muscle because it didn't like the situation — but there was zero reason FRB couldn't have held all its good loans to maturity and been totally fine.
Fuck the FDIC and fuck Jerome Powell for causing all this unnecessary destruction.
This is totally incorrect. Face value and market value are a material difference when one faces a liquidity crunch. First Republic was in a slow death spiral for months, and everyone across its capital structure knew it for at least a week.
> there was zero reason FRB couldn't have held all its good loans to maturity and been totally fine
You can’t tell depositors you won’t give them their money for ten years.
Tis but a scratch...come back and I'll bite your legs off ;)
How is this bank fine? They have lost confidence and everyone is pulling their money out. They would collapse if not for FDIC insurance and the system stepping in.
The Fed put in a facility that was supposed to let banks borrow against their securities portfolio at their book value and not at their market value, plus on top of that there's also the discount window facility, which means FRB had plenty of access to capital to handle any withdrawals.
The FDIC is just on a power trip here. They don't _like_ that the market value of those securities is down based on the inverse relationship between yields and price. So they force killed the bank. There was ZERO need to do that, FRB could have just held the loans to maturity, and sure they'd lose some money on the interest they'd have to pay to borrow from the Feb to make up for lost deposits, but in no way were they insolvent and in need of a shut down.
Adjusted for inflation is this in the top 10 versus the 80s?
According to wikipedia, second largest by assets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_bank_failures_...
I haven't researched this thoroughly, but I think the banking sector (like many other sectors) has been concentrating a lot over the years. So in the 80s we had many small bank failures, and in 2008-2010 we had many many small+medium bank failures (+WaMu, the largest in US history), and today we have a few large bank failures (so far).
Right, but the concentration isn't a bad thing just because it is concentrated. It might just be a reflection of the changing nature of the world (globalization, finance changes, etc).
I checked, and currently, there are 4,844 banks in the USA. There are also 4,759 credit unions, but I am not sure if that is also included in the bank numbers.
They did perfectly. The bank failed to manage risk. And consumers fled.
The FED created this environment and did it for a good reason to head off inflation.
Did you want the FED to not slow/stop inflation?
There are 4,000+ banks in the USA. Seems ok. Congress can also pass better laws to max size banks if they are concerned.
The whole banking sector is down. You still think this only affects “badly run banks”? Or maybe monetary policy by this administration has been abysmal, from initially denying there was real inflation, to continuing to sign giant spending bills and refusing to do nearly anything to stop inflation aside from one of the crudest tools and at the same time forcing banks to buy these long term t-bills because 3 years ago it was seen as a safe bet and the least risky move.
This affects all banks, as it changes the financial environment. Well-run banks will manage it well. Badly run banks will close.
The Fed was faced with a choice, fight inflation or not. They choose correctly, and that has ripple effects. That is life. Some banks were prepared and managed their risk well; others did not. And some are probably getting unlucky because SVB really screwed up and now people are keeping their money under the F.D.I.C. insurance level because of their bad management.
(inflation isn't so simple as printing money; it also had to do with companies taking advantage of the cover to raise prices, problems with global logistics delays and higher shipping prices, and a lot more. It is a very complex issue and not so simple.)
The Fed administration? I've never heard it called that. Are you from the USA?
Can you tell me your background in economics? I'd like to understand your expertise and why you think you know better than the brilliant people at the FED who do nothing but think about this and analyze data :). That doesn't mean they are perfect, but they are historically pretty good at their job and constantly improving.
So only estimated $13 billion will be printed.
Not printed. FDIC would levy a special assessment on its member banks, including JPMorgan, if those costs are realised. (Note that up to $40bn of enterprise value [1] was also just destroyed.)
If you look at the Fed’s weekly lending (H.4.1), you can see the FDIC has borrowed upwards of 170B in the last 2 months, not including FRC deal. In the FRC deal, FDIC is giving JPM a 50B term loan, which is most likely again borrowed from the Fed.
There’s some speculation why this had to happen, ie the Treasury cannot provide the liquidity due to debt limit, etc…
https://bpi.com/the-mysterious-footnote-7-to-whom-and-on-wha...
I’ve seen this claim from AEI folks [1], and while I’m listening, I’m not (yet) buying it. It looks more like the BTFP [2][3]. (EDIT: It’s not the BTFP. Something screwy here, but unclear how much.)
> the FRC deal, FDIC is giving JPM a 50B term loan, which is most likely again borrowed from the Fed
Source? The press release notes a loss-sharing arrangement. No loan. (EDIT: there is a loan.)
[1] https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3908515-the-fed-circumve...
[2] https://www.federalreserve.gov/financial-stability/bank-term...
[3] https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/mone...
Also, FDIC bridge banks are not eligible for BTFP, because they are not eligible for the primary discount window. They are banks in default…
H.4.1: https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/20230427/
50B term loan to JPM: https://www.jpmorganchase.com/ir/news/2023/jpmc-acquires-sub...
https://www.fdic.gov/resources/deposit-insurance/deposit-ins...