If it is all so clear and all the armchair experts here have ample experience in the field like they pretend, why is it so hard to run a few benchmarks?
If it is all so clear and all the armchair experts here have ample experience in the field like they pretend, why is it so hard to run a few benchmarks?
While it'd be worthwhile doing tests to confirm a specific case, the default assumptions have changed: Today memory is slow and multiplication fast (in terms of cycles; in absolute terms both are of course far faster).
You certainly should not today pick a more complex hashing scheme to try to avoid a multiplication without carefully measuring it just because it was discussed even by someone as smart as Knuth in a context where the relative instruction costs where entirely different.
If you're actually using the function as the primary hash function, then the distribution of the output might well make up for significant performance difference, so this is not to suggest that tabulation hashing isn't a worthwhile consideration.
"Programmers waste enormous amounts of time thinking about, or worrying about, the speed of noncritical parts of their programs, and these attempts at efficiency actually have a strong negative impact when debugging and maintenance are considered. We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil. Yet we should not pass up our opportunities in that critical 3%.", Donald Knuth
Maybe doing benchmarks for a comment isn't worthwhile. I guarantee you have to do different benchmarks for different contexts anyway so I can't blindly trust the benchmark anyway. Not to say it wouldn't be interesting.
I wouldn't mind someone plotting the cost of instructions over time and how that affects choice of algorithms. But to expect that from a comment?
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.5200.pdf
And the answer is that the speed is comparable to other functions that however produce worse results.
1. Dated hardware, so the hashing algo speed comparison is no longer relevant without redoing it, but even on hardware that old a 2.2x-2.8x speed advantage for mul+shift is substantial.
2. No tests with contention for the cache; no tests with different table sizes; no code given. As a result it's impossible to tell if the performance numbers are relevant and realistic.
3. If they could demonstrate substantially better distribution, it might still be very worthwhile despite how much slower it is, but they test the hashing algorithms with runs of 100 random constants. We don't know if any of those constants are any good because they've not given them, but odds are highly against 100 random constants even approaching good. As such the comparisons of tabulation hashing with the other hashing method is meaningless in terms of performance (but see below) - it's trivial to find constants for multiplication + shift that produces pathologically bad outcomes.
What the paper does appear to show is that tabulation hashing might have more predictable runtime given the result on the specific set of structured input they test with, and that might well be a good reason to use it for some applications.
But that is tainted by the lack of transparency in what they've actually compared against.
(This is also mostly relevant if you considering using a multiplication-shift based hash function, which is also not what the original article is advocating you use Fibonacci hash for)
I am no expert in math but the algorithm is claimed to be better than another one because it is in a class that is better than the class the other is in. It’s not because a run of 100 shows some distribution.
You have a lot of demands for exhaustive testing but when you are asked to provide the same, it’s all too much to ask. ‘I wouldn’t mind someone plotting graphs’ yeah thanks, I wouldn’t mind someone else doing the work.
Then again someone else probably has done the work more recently or more in line with what you want to see. I found this paper in a few minutes or websearching, I’m sure you can spare the time to find a better one.
That's only true if nothing else happens between requests to the hash table. That might be the case, or it might not. Depending on your workload that might make no difference or totally ruin your performance characteristics.
> I am no expert in math but the algorithm is claimed to be better than another one because it is in a class that is better than the class the other is in. It’s not because a run of 100 shows some distribution.
The problem with this is that while it may well have better characteristics than multiply and shift on average, the quality of the distribution of multiply and shift based hashes can vary by many orders of magnitude depending on the choice of multiplication factors. Put another way: Multiplying by 1 and shifting is a perfectly valid multiply and shift hash function. It's a very stupid one. The performance characteristics for a hash table doing that is nothing like the performance characteristics of what is proposed in the original article. I have no doubt that the table based approach will beat a large proportion of the multiply and shift hashes. But so does other multiply and shift hashes, by large factors. As such, without actually comparing against a known set of some of the best multiply-shift hashes we learn very little about whether or not it'll do well against good multiply-shift hashes.
To me, the fact that they chose random factors is very suspicious. Nobody uses random factors. The effort spent on choosing good factors over the years has been very extensive, and even hacky, ad hoc attempts will tend to use large prime numbers.
> You have a lot of demands for exhaustive testing but when you are asked to provide the same, it’s all too much to ask. ‘I wouldn’t mind someone plotting graphs’ yeah thanks, I wouldn’t mind someone else doing the work.
I've not made demands for anything. I've pointed out that making a blanket claim that multiplication is bad when the performance characteristics has changed as much as they have is unreasonable, and a paper like this tells us pretty much nothing more. It's absolutely reasonable to consider table based approaches; it's quite possible, even likely they'll have desirable properties for various sets of inputs - there is no such thing as a perfect hash function for all inputs, and sometimes you care most about pathological worst case scenarios, some times you care about averages, some times you know what data you will or won't see. That it performs as well as they've shown it to means there is almost certainly situations where it will be a good choice. But because of the choices they made in that paper we can't really tell when and where that would be, and that's a shame.
What is not reasonable is just writing off the use of multiplication on the basis of hardware characteristics that are decades out of date. That doesn't mean you should blindly use that either.
If there's one thing people should know about working with hash tables it's that you should test and measure for the actual type of data you expect to see.
If we broaden the search to 2.66 GHz processors there are 4: 5030, 5150, 3070 and 3075. All released in 2006 and 2007. This means it is either one of the last "NetBurst" CPUs or one of the first "Core" CPUs. Assuming "Core" the relevant operation has a 5 clock latency, as best I can tell. This is down to 3 clocks on pretty much all modern X86 CPUs. Modern CPUs also get an extra load port, so I doubt the relative difference is much different on modern CPUs.
Overall it looks like a pretty bad benchmark, thrown into a paper on collision likelihood, which itself looks like an academic exercise with no relevance for the real world.