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I mean, the same is true with the C runtime.

Isn't "C Runtime" inaccurate?

Wouldn't it be the static or dynamic linked libraries for the particular program in question?

Nope, what do you think calls into main(), does floating point emulation, handles signals on non UNIX platforms, provides threading support?

The term "runtime" is overloaded here. The C runtime is not what people usually mean when they say a language has a runtime.

There is a crt.0 "C Runtime" object. This is code that is literally run "at runtime". When you execute a binary, the C runtime is the first thing executed to setup the stack and call main().

This is just a bit of assembly that runs before main(). It shares ~nothing in common with "runtime" languages like Python or Java where the runtime is alive during the whole program's execution.

The C run time does not handle floats or threads or anything like that. Software floats are dealt with by the compiler and threading is implemented as its own library (either in userspace or built into the kernel).

I guess you can educate Microsoft on that then.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/c-runtime-library/c-ru...

It doesn't matter what people think, rather the CS point of view of a language runtime is.

That library is the runtime.

C implementation without the respective runtime is what is called a freestanding implementation as per ISO C.

Libraries and crt0.o and the like. Libgcc_s ; but it isn’t a runtime in the sense that some magic is doing GC or scheduling for routines. ABI that describes what the assembly should be doing, it isn’t a thing doing stuff.

Runtime is whatever a programming language needs to support its execution, as per CS compiler theory.

There is a code object called "C Runtime" (crt0.o)[1].

This was a good name at the time. Its a bit of code that gets executed literally "at runtime". When you run a program, this object gets invoked to setup the stack and call main(). Its just a bit of assembly.

Then, decades later, languages like Java overloaded the term "runtime" to refer to their interpreter / vm. This causes confusion to this day, evidently.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crt0

> I mean, the same is true with the C runtime.

My c compiler does not connect to internet during compiling.

What do you do if a dependent .so isn't found?

Do you not have to install said dependency from the Internet and start (at least part of) the compile over?

Nor does the Rust compiler.

Rust's build system, Cargo, does however. And many C build systems do as well, e.g. https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/guide/using-dependencies...

Optionally. Cargo doesn’t have to connect to the internet, and even has command line switches to fail if it tries to.

Good to know.

Thank you for the tip. I shall do

ifconfig eth0 down

before compiling to avoid such issues.

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