And NPR told me that the possibility of gas stoves being banned was fake outrage: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1150228734/the-facts-and-stra....
How can people arguing for the merits of banning gas and also pretend they don’t want the government to do it?
Republicans Mocked Over Outraged Claims Government 'Coming for' Gas Stoves https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-mocked-over-outraged-cl...
"... the rightwing immolation at the mere suggestion of a gas stove ban is just one more line on a long list of rightwing lies made for political gain." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/18/how-di...
As usual, "That's not going to happen!" gives way in short order to "It's a good thing that it is going to happen!"
No they didn't.
> MARTÍNEZ: Look, Jeff and Lisa, I don't know what's going to happen with gas stoves.
Also NPR was talking about the Federal government. While the article above is talking about the New York _State_ government.
> Well, the risk for the environment, it's more about what gas stoves have come to represent. And that's the practice of burning natural gas in homes.
rayiner's comment is that NPR told him "the possibility of gas stoves being banned was fake outrage".
Whether or not gas stoves _should_ be banned is irrelevant. NPR clearly stated that they could become banned and that they don't know if they will.
> The facts and strategy behind the outrage over rumors of a ban on gas stoves
> The conservative media was in uproar last week over speculation that the federal government planned to ban gas cooking stoves and possibly seize them.
The aim is clearly to dismiss the concern as manufactured outrage—note the words “strategy,” “speculation,” and “outrage”—rather than a concern about something that may happen because it’s an aim liberals definitely have.
Immigration helps offset those numbers a bit, because like you said people see NY(C) as the capital and plenty of people still want to live there.
Deterioration happens slowly and builds up over time. Humans are very resilient and adaptive to things getting worse (as every war has shown). When things happen slowly you don't notice how bad it is and forget what is lost. The older (usually conservative) people who notice the deterioration are often dismissed as cranks, boomers, out of touch, etc. So immigrants/young college kids still flock to NY and start building a life there before noticing that living there as an adult is way harder than it should be.
Moving states typically requires things to get really bad and people often don't understand the cause/effect of shitty gov and deteriorating cultures.
Fossil fuel use for energy (in the long term) should be centralized, then replaced. Building gas lines to new buildings should therefore be less preferred than running all-electric. Then of course, there is the reason gas stoves got brought up recently, which is concern with interior air quality and its long term impact on families.
The reality is that eventually, gas appliances will probably be restricted/phased out of use in new installations for several reasons. This shouldn't be surprising, sensational or controversial. The fiction is that they will be forcefully removed from existing installations. See electric vehicles, where my Fox-ian father thinks all gas cars will be banned in 2025 or some shit, when in reality new sales won't even be meaningfully restricted for another 12 years.
"This shouldn't be surprising, sensational or controversial."
At some point that will happen, or else it will simply be so inconvenient to use gas it will be impractical for anything except remote places with propane tanks.
Why is that shocking? Are you also upset that you no longer have easy access to whale oil for your lighting, or a market for steam-powered sedans? Yes, someday in the relatively far future (decades) gas stoves will be a novelty, something small kids look at like they look at CRT televisions or ham radios today.
Who cares? My point is that the outrage on conservative media was built on lies and exaggerations about the now, as if in 2024 gas stoves would be banned. You You moved the goalpost in your comment.
Whale oil was replaced because of cheaper and superior synthetic alternatives. CRT Television were replaced because of more practical flat panels.
There are no advantages to electrical stoves compared to gas stoves. Gas stoves are far superior to electrical for cooking, and for operating both electrical and gas are equivalently practical. The energy cost of gas vs electrical is unimportant for home use, and in professional use you will use gas stoves.
Both electricity and gas (in general) are equally modern (or old) technologies, being a couple of hundred years old. Replacing gas with electricity is in no sense progression, it's just different tech.
Induction stoves are much better than conventional electric, but they are a far cry from gas stoves, which have all the benefits of induction and none of the drawbacks.
Did they actually say that, cause that sounds pretty hyperbolic to what their narrative actually was, which is that 87k agents were being hired which would effectively be targeting middle class and small businesses, instead of big corps.
I have friends who were were wrongfully audited, and it’s a huge costly, stressful burden.
I don’t think it’s wrong to question how the IRS is managing its budget.
It ignored the fact that most of those employees were actually customer service representatives, and you can see this year the huge increase in number of tax filers who were able to actually speak to someone from the IRS on the phone.
Yes. You and the people you are criticizing.
By the way, I don't know if you actually read or listened to that segment, but it makes clear that there is a real possibility that this could be regulated. Calling it "fake outrage" is not to say "they're making up the possibility that it could be regulated", but "they're blowing this (real) possibility out of proportion, ignoring the reasons it might be a good idea, and instead making up vague and manipulative reasons to object to it".
Induction cooktops can be nice, but they are more expensive last I checked, and impose lots of limitations on what cookware you can use, including making it infeasible to use high end copper bottom French sauté pans, which also happen to be very hard to match the performance of.
It is absolutely a burden, and meddlesome, and a reduction in freedom of choice, and gas stoves use minuscule amounts of gas.
You are right that most people in new york have gas, but new york is an outlier in that -- one of only five states that are majority gas. Most of Tucker Carlson's audience have electric stoves.
Electric is way worse than gas. It’s not even up for reasonable debate.
Well if the federal government’s opinion on gas is operative, and not your own, how is that not coming for your freedom?
You may think they have good cause, but that doesn’t change the nature of a law that bans you from doing or having something.
Your comment would be fine without that last bit.
And where to send the check.