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Sweden launches research rocket, accidentally hits Norway

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I went and looked it up, and the last time they were at war was 1814 [0]. Norway lost and was governed in part by the Swedish king, although they had their own parliament. That was also the last time Sweden was in any military conflict, they've been neutral since then.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish%E2%80%93Norwegian_War_...

Norway and Sweden has historically been relatively chill as far as neighbor relations go.

Now Sweden and Denmark on the other hand hasn't gotten along all too well historically. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dano-Swedish_War

FYI Norway was a part of Denmark back then. You guys are talking about the same thing.

Sweden participated in enforcing Libyan no-fly zone in 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Counci...

The resolution formed the legal basis for military intervention in the Libyan Civil War, demanding "an immediate ceasefire" and authorizing the international community to establish a no-fly zone and to use all means necessary short of foreign occupation to protect civilians.

Article 5 triggered. U.S. to liberate Spotify and hand it over to Apple. Maybe add Klarna in there.

I hear Spotify has oil under their headquarters!

Good luck finding it. There is an IKEA under their headquarters.

The most Swedish thing I've heard today

And the mil-spec hex wrench _definitely_ doesn't have any sort of ergonomic grip, so you'll have grooves in your hands before you get halfway done assembling the guard shack.

If the US military invades IKEA they will *never* figure out how to exit.

So it's Afghanistan again, then.

The graveyard of bedroom sets

I'm pretty sure IKEA has been legally Dutch for a while now.

You can keep Klarna to be honest. It's a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Yeah? The only thing I know about it is that they use or used some Erlang.

But most definitely not for great good.

https://sscspace.com/science-rocket-landed-in-norway/

> Work on retrieving the payload is underway and an investigation is being launched to determine the technical details behind the non-nominal flight path.

I love the wording. "Non-nominal flight path."

Reminds me of the recent rapid unplanned disassembly, and more distantly, "near miss? That's a near hit. This is a near miss! explosion noises They nearly missed." (—George Carlin)

Norway to launch a retaliatory strike with pine cones

"The sled-dog army has just crossed the border."

Maybe this was retaliation? Norway allegedly destroyed gas pipeline in Swedish waters!

Even if Norway had something to do with, I'm sure they weren't acting alone. The US had consistently been strongly opposed to the pipeline since the start (long before the Russian invasion of Ukraine). And besides, Biden literally threatened to "end it" and said that "there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2" in the months before it was attacked...

What's throw me off of the 'the Cia did it' is that the authors left clues, and the operation wasn't that tight.

It was tight enough, sure. BTW that's way there is no way Russia did it, their opsec is shit and they get caught by osint all the time. But not as clean as what some alleged Cia operations are (like what happened to French assets in Libya, Clinton's e-mail hinted it was an op, yet without the leak nobody's would even think USA was involved). This was sloppier imho.

It still can be US work, but I would be surprised if it were a federal agency.

After Biden literally saying they'd take care of it, all the NATO aligned press started to imply that it was Putin's doing, to blame it on the west.

Anyone suggesting that Putin didn't need to do that (he could just not send gas) is considered a conspiracy theorist at the same level of a flat-earther.

Why would the CIA have then warned[0] Germany weeks ahead of a possible sabotage to the pipeline? Thats not really part the playbook

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20220928074036/https://www.reute...

I like how I already expected the comments to be filled with jokes.

Jokes about them going to war, specifically.

As a Swede, this worries me "The ministry had not received a formal notification of the incident from the Swedish authorities, she added."

We have a very good relationship with Norway currently, but we must not get complacent and take them for granted. I hope this concern is taken seriously.

Someone attacked a NATO member state?

Reminds me of when Switzerland accidentally invaded Liechtenstein. A diplomatic snafu solved with a bottle of wine.

One example of this kind of space-crash-error incident I'm aware of is when the US deorbited Skylab, it didn't break up the way the models had predicted and several pieces, including multiple oxygen canisters (about the size of a refrigerator each) crashed intact into the Australian outback.

Australia fined the U.S. for littering. The U.S. took one canister back, which is on display at the U.S. Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

I had to look this up because it’s hilarious. And it’s happened more than once!

How many wrong turns can you make into a different country?

There is a highway on the border from where there are three exit. So accidentally take an exit to late or to early and you end up in Lichtenstein, because you didn't look at the road signs closely enough.

Also, Poland occupied a piece of Czech territory during coronavirus. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53034930

Or when Britain "invaded" Spain.

https://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/02/18/britain.marines/...

When I was working at CERN I went for a ride in the morning and discovered a border when coming back.

It was on the middle of a road without any markings and the border police stopped everyone in the evening (I think that was because they were looking for someone).

I told them I do not have any documents because I did not know that there was a border, they proceeded to arrest me with hancuffs and everything.

I was pretty scared but they were just pranking me (it was the actual police). Told me to get better next time :)

Only problems with these rockets. First Starship blows up and now this only a few hundred kilometers from my house. Will humans stop playing with fire before someone dies because of the whims of some billionaire or the ESA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_in_spaceflight

178 successful launches in 2022. 7 failures, 1 partial failure. 95% success rate for the industry.

The failures can often be spectacular given the energy involved, but in terms of actual numbers we've gotten pretty good at putting stuff in orbit.

I dunno, 95% uptime is pretty bad in the software world. A program that corrupts your data 1 out of 20 times you use it would be garbage.

Allow me to introduce Python

Robust, reliable applications can be written in python.

That doesn't mean it happens.

That 95% figure for spaceflight includes their test and staging environments.

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/23696/how-many-roc...

No.

Just because you don't understand the safety mechanisms doesn't mean they aren't there.

Humans playing with fire is exacly how we evolved from a primitive society to who we are nowadays.

Well.... we're still a primitive society so.... not sure what you are trying to say.

Humans, perhaps not. At best you can stop your friends from doing this. But you can't stop your enemies.

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