Colorado becomes first to pass ‘right to repair’ for farmers
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There are additional videos linked in that video's description for those wanting additional context as to what this bill is all about.
Manufacturers and dealerships raised concerns that providing tools and information to farmers would allow equipment owners to illegally crank up the horsepower and bypass emissions controls — putting operator safety and the environment at risk.
These are not serious arguments, are they?
Serialized parts don't prevent you from defeating emissions controls anyway - there's plenty of low-tech ways to tamper with sensors to do the same thing. Even the theft prevention[0] benefits are limited, because the chip with the serial codes on it can be desoldered and resoldered onto a new board.
[0] i.e. if someone were to chop-shop your phone or tractor. It happens.
There are reliability improvements to be had as well, reducing operating costs still further (the emissions equipment can get clogged up, especially if the engine isn't running perfectly).
So yeah, farmers (all commercial diesel users really) have a strong financial incentive to avoid or remove these emissions controls, provided they don't get caught of course.
These tools aren't being used to work on skateboards or jet skis, these tools are being used to fix a tractor so the farmer can do their job.
One could think of a ton of illegal things a welder could be used for, but we aren't taking welding tools away from welders are we?
it allows for manufacturers to greatly simplify manufacturing requirements and lower costs, and it allows farmers to buy the tractor they need today and to grow into upgrades as they need them, without the downtime or expense of an engine swap if they need horsepower later.
manufacturers are afraid that the tools they would be required to provide could allow someone to "upgrade" their engine for free, but that's not what right to repair is about, and I would be surprised if a law required that upgrades like this be made possible by end users free of charge.
so it's a legit concern if you are a manufacturer of tractors and you compare what's being done in other areas of consumer electronics. oscilloscopes today are often sold in this same way: all models have the same potential for performance but are limited in software, so hackers bypass or trick the software to unlock the higher speeds when you only paid for the entry-level scope. In reality it is not much of a concern, since the percentage of customers who do this is extremely small.
the main problem for tractor manufacturers is that new regulations require them to spend money in order to be in compliance with those regulations. money that was not budgeted and which affects earnings reports and changes work priorities within a company. The desire to avoid regulations which require expenditure of any kind is what is drives the motivation of every company that resists right to repair efforts.
I think the manufacturers' real concern has not been cost of compliance, but rather loss of service revenues which business model is arguably customer-hostile.
well, usually the services needed by the owner are provided by a dealer, and not the vehicle manufacturer, so I'm not sure that holds water. I don't think the manufacturers lose anything except a small amount of goodwill from a dealer who can no longer charge $100 every few years when a particular dealer tool would be needed to convince a tractor to resume operation. that's not a lot of loss for a dealer.
manufacturers do supply parts, but that wouldn't change if an end user installs the parts instead of a dealer. most farmers fix their own tractors using first-party parts already.
One safety concern for untrained technicians is the possibility of activating motors, and other circuits during the repair process without ensuring those things are safe to operate in their repair/disassembled state. So, there is a legit safety argument, but that's true for many tools that are sold at the local hardware store.
So they pretty much have to lie.
"Exempts manufacturers or distributors of certain medical devices, motor vehicles, any power generation or storage equipment, or equipment for fueling or charging motor vehicles."
Wondering what type of farmer equipment count as "motor vehicles" here, and if tractors are counted or not.
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bill%20R... :
> (Other) Motor vehicles are not the focus of the bill, but could be impacted by the bill, especially for things like touch screens in vehicles and electric vehicle chargers. The industry would appreciate an exemption to exclude motor vehicles and related devices from the scope of the bill
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Htm/Bill%20R...
> (Other) There are concerns regarding the definition of digital electronic equipment. A clarifying amendment to exclude digital electronic equipment in vehicle charging stations would be appreciated. New York's right to repair law had similar language.
The list of entities testifying in the "(Other)" category (versus "(In support)") is thankfully visible in these docs you only need to Ctrl+F for "(Other)".
Also interested people can probably spend time watching the videos in https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1392&Year=2023... to learn more, such as the few minutes at 2:31:25 in https://tvw.org/video/house-appropriations-2023021401/?event...
Who's bill is this?
> as do our education system
What do you think is the purpose of the education system, that blame might fall on it?It's a lot easier to manipulate and misinformed people when the lack a basic education in these fields.
Which counts as contempt in my book. Contempt means "The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn." Caring more about your revenue stream than your customers is regarding your customers as inferior to your revenue stream.
He didn't say any of that
If you made a sweeping all encompassing "right to repair" bill you would then be targeted by every single group which opposes right to repair, if you target agriculture or medical areas you are likely to only primarily receice heavy opposition from a segment rather than a large swath of industries.
Narrow bills are easier to understand and explain. They do one thing and they do it right rather than trying to solve every problem.
A narrow bill has less of a target. If you have a large bill there might be one small element which some politician couldn't vote for for various reasons, reduce the scale and you reduce the target area.
Those are just a few ideas, not an expert in this but these seemed to make sense. Let me know what you think.
That's not exactly the best policymaking, of course. There's no fundamental difference between fixing a tractor and a smartphone.
Over time, we're hopeful the policies will converge for all devices. Last year we did electric wheelchairs in Colorado, this year the same legislators expanded it to tractors.
If you can't figure out how to serve your content to users without extreme tracking (at least I assume that the reason for this message is the consumer protection found in the EU), then your content can't be that important.
A trick I always use is to just append the url to archive.today[0] to get a page with no ads and bloat. You could also make a bookmarklet to make it a 1-click thing. Sometimes it might not be archived so you will have to click 'archive this url' to make one, but people are usually quick to archive articles that are posted here
[0]: https://archive.today/https://www.wivb.com/news/colorado-bec...
There's a fine line between elevating the opportunity and quality-of-life floor v. making everyone the same at the expense of individualism and all opportunity (i.e. in favor of "sameness") But basic quality of life improvements that require public funding are often lobbied against with arguments equating raising the floor with "sameness," which harms pretty much everyone.
Hence a dwindling middle class etc
I don't think that's the case, not at all. I do think it's easy to think you're doing the first when you're not, and I do think it's easy to make the first look like the second, particularly in scarcity-based circumstances, or by "counting the outcome" differently.
I'm interested in hearing why you think that's the case, tho.
To be clear, I'm not arguing that the second (call it "forced equalization") can't or doesn't happen - I'm arguing against it being similar enough to opportunity elevation (good word choice btw!) that there's merely a fine line between them.
It's a good question, and in hindsight I can see why it wouldn't be obvious.
Basically: because the two are part of an equality gradient where one end is effectively an opportunity lottery with the worst odds and the other end is "sameness", and where a society draws the line (manifesting as parties with their positions, which of course means there can be more than one line to dice up the gradient a bit) depends on a whole host of factors. Culture, experiences, etc.
Your points above largely support the Gradient argument; it's easy to assume teal is blue, or perhaps green, or to convince some people blue is green (comically, some stoplights come to mind). I'm merely sharing my formula for how the line manifests.
I'm guessing we're on the same page and are debating a nuance. Lol
... far from defending John Deere, instead realize that this is an example of a truly "political" problem.. the needs and wants of direct stakeholders are vastly one-sided, compared to the outputs over time for the rest of society.
Most recently I saw it as retrofit in a Workmaster 60. It had not only engine control, but lane tracking, soil sampling, and more. Al kinds of cameras, relays, and stuff. It was a Frankenstein's dream, but it worked.
The cost offset justification is horse lemons. Much of JD's smarts come from off the shelf code and material, including open source.
https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/mar/16/john-deere-gpl-vi...
That would be fine and dandy if there were a *choice* to discount the price in exchange for the reduced degree of ownership. (And if they were decent folks, once equity had been fully paid off they would unlock everything).
The reality is nothing more than rent-seeking MBA bastards trying to improve their own bottom line.
It's dangerous when companies get into the financing business with their products and dictate the terms in user-hostile ways for which you have zero bargaining power. You wind up with problems like phones you can't transfer to another provider and cars that want to lock you out if you're late on a payment.
As consumers our best way to fight this bullshit is to just say NO, and stop buying products that are encumbered with such shenanigans.
It's one reason I never buy my phone from the same company that sells my service. I hold the unorthodox view they have no business being device resellers, and I wish they just stuck to selling me airtime and focused on being good at that (fast speeds, good coverage, network capacity, customer service, etc). Instead they load products up with bloatware, and over time poisoned the incentives of manufacturers to prioritize their interests over my own user experience. In any event I find better deals and truly unlocked units off eBay, usually from a region of the world where the model supports the ROM I prefer to use.
Unfortunately it's becoming harder in practice to locate alternative supply, and not everyone is in a position to make this principled choice. Some can't afford it, but most of us are ambivalent and just want to get a phone and get on with our lives.
A traditional financing outfit could care less about restricting what features you can use on your product or who you're allowed to pay to fix or upgrade it (as long as the repairs are competent, which is justifiable seeing as they are part-owners, and such conditions are all lifted once you buy them out). While I dislike government dictating relationships between businesses and consumers, I feel like there should be anti-compete laws to keep some degree of separation between corporations "product" and "financing" arms to avoid customer-harming conflicts of interest. Particularly when that corporation is the manufacturer. There's just too much temptation for them to degrade toward the direction I described above, and in practice not enough market diversity for consumers to fight back in other ways.
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Edit: Quoted portion of your post so folks who can't see the text of deleted comments have some context.
A similar problem happens with advertising. Theoretically I should be able to pay for first-party ad block from every site and social platform I visit. In practice the value that a larger ad inventory commands is always greater than the small fractions of people who would pay X/mo for an ad-free version of that service, minus however much it costs to maintain the ad-free option. Why serve a niche that cuts into your bottom line?
The few exceptions to the above that I can think of largely prove the rule:
* Framework and Fairphone are able to market repairable phones and laptops. In this case, they aren't actually charging a repairability premium over an existing product, they're just selling into higher-end markets. Repairability is built into both the product and the pricing in ways that aren't separable - you wouldn't be able to sell a cheaper Framework that isn't repairable.
* YouTube sells ad-free access, but this is mainly because online video ad revenue has cratered badly. Advertising is a moat that keeps YouTube out of profitability, not in it.
* Twitter tries to sell ad-free, except it's "less ads", and mostly exists because Elon desperately needs to justify how much money he spent on buying the crack factory he was addicted to.
Whether or not repairability commands a premium or having everything locked down comes with a discount is immaterial. Consumers are not in a position to actually realize said discount or pay said premium. Because it's not a matter of consumer choice. It's a matter of control. We (the MBAs) put shit in the product you were going to buy anyway, and it isn't immediately causing you to run to the hills, so we win.
I'm confused; I didn't delete anything, were you just assuming I would delete my comment? Also, your comment has this weird vibe; like you are trying to argue with me. However, I wasn't stating an opinion on the issue, merely explaining why propriety hardware and software is used by large machine manufactures.
Not intending to argue, or attack *you*. My beef is with the manufacturers who are doing this, and to some extent the culture of consumer apathy that accepts it (perhaps I exhibited a "lecturing" undercurrent that lent that vibe). I don't dispute your point, I just think it's important it isn't accepted as an excuse or justification for what's been going on.
You are truing to justify a straight forward cash grab
It does. Source: Confidential
> You are tr[y]ing to justify a straight forward cash grab
No; I provided context without opinion.