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You do realize that France right next door has tons of reactors and are building more.

Plus Czech Rep, Austria (and Switzerland) all have plenty of nuclear plants and energy, and will fight the EU to keep them. Germany stance is ideological at best and irrational at worst. Time will tell if it works well for German in the end. Unfortunately their recent track record with risky decisions is not great (I refer to the refugee crisis and the reliance on russian gas).

Bullshit. There was no "decision" in the refugee crisis, we had to take in the refugees because of our constitution and frankly because we (constitutionally and fortunately) don't have the means to get rid of them even if we wanted to.

So far everything works well for Germany. Relying on Russian gas meant cheaper power for quite some time. Hard to tell if alternatives would have fared better. Hindsight is always 20/20. Putin's invasion of Ukraine is irrational from any standpoint and not expecting him and his country shooting themselves in their feet that way wasn't illogical.

To be honest, there were plenty of warnings. Putins wars in Chechenia, Georgia. And he actually invaded Ukraine in 2014. That was the last date after which the German government should have planned for a future without gas from Russia.

Which isn't what you and others said at the time, I'd guess. Hardly anyone was advocating for this. None of the major parties for certain. Nobody wanted more expensive energy.

Sorry, why would you say such a thing about me? I was actually quite concerned by the absence of a strong international and especially German reaction to the invasion of 2014. Especially it became obvious, that all the Nordstream pipelines were a weapon against the Ukraine.

Those voices just weren't there and it is plenty easy and convenient to say "I was concerned way before everybody else knew of the problem."

Sure, but I wonder which basis you have to attack me personally. Especially since we mostly seem to agree on the topic of the discussion.

I don't believe people are special.

>Austria

You are completely wrong there, Austria is the biggest anti-nuclear zealot in EU, they are the reason why investments into nuclear are not considered green (effectively stifling development of it).

> are building more

Fun fact: In the last 20 years France has reduced its nuclear power output by just about the same total amount as Germany.

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/nuclear-energy-generation...

France needs to buy electricity from Germany because reactors are down or can not function because the river used for cooling is to hot already. Water problems will get worse in the following years. The nuclear operating company is bankrupt and needed to be nationalized. Not really the best look for nuclear. In other countries it might work better.

> France needs to buy electricity from Germany because reactors are down or can not function because the river used for cooling is to hot already.

Right now electricity maps shows that France produces 60% of electricity from nuclear, imports zero from Germany, and exports 6% of generated electricity to UK.

Also right now Germany generates 26% from coal and 9% from gas.

Just wait until the summer. Also exports from Germany to France did indeed decline due to the transition.

Here is the historical data https://www.ceicdata.com/en/germany/electricity-imports-and-....

Doesn't this show how much Germany imports from France?

I read it the other way but I can be wrong. Still Germany is reported as a net exporter: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/even-crisis-germany-....

Can anyone calculate how many million tonnes of co2 was created because the "greens" (reds) wanted to shut them down?

Nuclear power projects are always finished late and way over budget.

There's definitely a pattern there.

How many plants were shut down because of water supply and how many due to planned maintenance and underinvestment of France govt last 10 or so years(bc of same 'green parties' as in Germany)? Asking because here I see there were only two (of 56 OPERATIONAL): https://www.thelocal.fr/20200825/france-authorities-shut-dow... but maybe you can find more info?

> How many plants were shut down because of water supply

0.18% of power generation

> how many due to planned maintenance and underinvestment of France govt last 10 or so years

And that is the main problem.

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