Executives Of Swedish Start-Up Klarna Arrested For Kidnapping And Rape
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i guess that's what you get when 'gadget editors' become crime reporters.
When a woman has to say "No" or "Stop" you already crossed a line. Our society taints sexual interactions with the idea that a woman consents to everything by default and she must say "No" to withdraw consent. A sexual encounter is not a time where it is better to ask forgiveness than permission.
You don't ask for permission for every move you make while with a woman. If you're moving a bit too fast for her and she says so, then cool, fall back. But just about every woman I know would be turned off by a guy that asked permission to kiss, to touch, and...well you get the idea.
Surely that's what these fine gentlemen believed all the way through booking. Guess they were wrong. If you touch a woman in a way she did not want to be touched you don't get to run Undo on your molestation.
You seem confused about consent. How a consenting handshake works: 1) You offer your hand. 2a) Other person consents by grasping it and shaking. 2b) Other person declines by not engaging your hand.
How consenting kiss works: 1) You lean in and pucker up. 2a) Other person consents by closing part of the distance in the same manner. 2b) Other person declines by not closing the distance (At which point you should stop and evaluate your position on this situation).
How molesting works: 1) You stick your hand in a woman's pants. Just because she engaged you with a kiss does not mean she consents to any more! Any implied consent in your head is merely for your own expedience. If asking permission is enough to end an encounter then you don't have consent!
How consenting contact works: 1) She gives enthusiastic consent 2) You touch her within the new boundary.
You'll find that a lot excitement in sex is based around that concept. See S&M for extreme examples of people who most definitely keep pushing the power relationship boundaries until the other person says "no". However, you don't have to go all the way to S&M to find this. Most consensual sex is filled with little dares and attempts to push the boundaries. The other kind of sex, where you just do what is expected and never cross any lines, is generally known as "boring crap" and shunned by parties who actually know what the fuck (pun intended) they're talking about.
With that said, we all deserve to be downvoted into oblivion for this retardedly off-topic thread. Let the slaughter begin.
If only the BDSM community had some sort of system where rules and boundaries were laid out prior to anything happening. Oh wait, responsible BDSM participants do exactly that to prevent non consensual activity (also known as rape). You seem to be implying a participant in BDSM cannot be raped.
>Most consensual sex is filled with little dares and attempts to push the boundaries.
That exact mindset is what led to the encounter in this story turning into an attack. By telling other people it's ok to treat a woman as if she has granted full consent until she revokes it you help perpetuate the very culture that leads to events like this story. The guys in this story almost certainly think the same way you do, and you reassure them that they did nothing wrong.
And this whole idea that you have to constantly push boundaries without permission stems from the childish fear that "If I say something, she might tell me to stop! Then I won't be able to get my rocks off."
If the 20 seconds it takes to have a, possibly sexy, conversation about consent ends an encounter you didn't have consent to begin with.