I know some people at Reddit and sadly it's definitely going to happen.
The day old.reddit.com stops working is the day I stop using reddit completely, I detest their new UI so much that it’s essentially unusable for me.
It's very clear there is not an adult at reddit who can tell the people in power NO.
I use Reddit less and less YoY and even day to day. But the day old goes I’m out.
Frankly I only use it for fairly niche subreddits and even then it’s more like 10 minutes a day.
I’m also not a core demographic at this point anymore.
I ended up having to pay $2 for a Safari iOS extension to auto-redirect reddit links to old.reddit just so I could actually read the site when I got there via web searches. There's no usability whatsoever
I just painstakingly pinch and pan around old.reddit rather than try to wrestle with their dog-awful app or redesign
semi-related: I've been trying to get the WallStreetBets mods to just make their own version of Reddit instead of putting up with the admins' constant bullshit.. they're basically singlehandedly funding that whole shitshow and get nothing out of it but scam ads, users randomly banned for saying a no-no word, etc
They learned nothing from the Digg apocalypse.
The moment they kill old Reddit I'm out too.
Complete with deleting my account for closure. This is what I recommend. It's pretty much facebook, pure dark UX at that point.
Reddit got popular because Digg screwed up their comment threading. It's sad to see reddit is starting to make anti-user mistakes like digg. Maybe they think they can force it because there isn't a competent competitor.
The problem with all of these sites is they start to service the lowest common denominator in the name of next quarters profits. As their websites become more hostile to the educated, the quality of content drops and profit goes up, but the golden goose is slowly being strangled.
Reddit was fantastic around the time of digg because the average user appeared to be college educated or greater. Celebrities like Randall Monroe were submitting high quality content. It was common for a literal expert to write a well thought out post. Now it's an "Americas funniest home videos" feed of fart jokes with your liberal aunt and conservative uncle having an argument in the background.
It seems so clear to me that billionaires mean we can't have nice things. Twitter and Reddit both promoted a "truth to power" free speech ideology, and now billionaires are coercing these companies into becoming cess pits that reflect the worst parts of humanity. Power doesn't like to be threatened so they will destroy the weapon.
I still can't decide if these companies are being destroyed because they promote a "no more billionaires" ideology, or if it is simply capitalistic greed and the search for next quarters profits.
The pressure to increase quarterly profits to the detriment of the long-term emerges from the very nature of short-term investment, particularly as facilitated by stock exchanges. Eliminating billionaires would not eliminate this dynamic.
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/wired-conde-nast-reddit/
>Advance Publications, is Reddit's majority shareholder
What everyone on Hacker News seems to long for is an Internet limited to 'that class' of people. They complain about billionaires and advertising, but maybe they should take a broader look at what they are really longing for.
When people who are only in the same space due to shared interests and experiences become too inclusive then that gets diluted and they are left being around a lot of people who are just a lot of people. No one likes that except extroverts and attention seekers.
Trying to shame us for pining for the days of educated and interesting content made by people we relate to for reasons that are not tied to monetizing everything (because, well, we don't need it) is silly, because by pretending you think that is wrong means you are either short-sighted or bitter.
This is not to say that exclusivity is desirable, but to say that communities exist for a reason and being nostalgic about losing a healthy one does not make you a bad person.
Yep, that is exactly what I want. I want to be around and interact with other educated people who act in good faith and I don't want to be around uneducated people who act in bad faith or can't see or aren't open to the contradictions in their own ideas.
Eternal September is the name of this idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_News
Graham stated he hopes to avoid the Eternal September
that results in the general decline of intelligent
discourse within a community.
The good things in a community site come from people more
than technology; it's mainly in the prevention of bad
things that technology comes into play. Technology
certainly can enhance discussion. Nested comments do, for
example. But I'd rather use a site with primitive
features and smart, nice users than a more advanced one
whose users were idiots or trolls.> I don't want to be around uneducated people who act in bad faith
Are you fine with being around educated people who act in bad faith? Those generally cause much more damage.
A game to demonstrate why that is important: https://ncase.me/trust/
If you cooperate when others defect, you promote defection as a strategy.
If you defect when others cooperate, you undermine cooperation as a winning strategy.
So a community that shut down defectors and cooperates by default creates a community based around cooperation -- a high trust community.
Bad faith is another word for defection. It is hard to understand the game you are playing or see the consequences of your actions without education.
I don't give a toss if someone has an expensive device or university internet, and I resent the implication that only "an elite class" can compose a well thought out post.
The fact is, billionaires pay people to keep the status quo. Those people hire other people - to program bots, to hire PR goons, to spend millions or even billions on swaying vulnerable minds with echo-chamber media drones -- all to warp discussion online and IRL.
Tobacco companies did it, fossil fuel companies did it, and you can be certain tech companies and governments are doing it too.
You're discounting all of that, and then calling people classist for wanting good-faith discussion. Uncool.
You can call it classist all you want but I want the ivory tower, not the swamp.
It makes a lot of sense since each "subreddit" could be its own server.
And they can do it early enough that no one ever knew you were there in the first place. Even the Reddit admins didn't do that... I don't know if it was apathy and indifference, or just that they couldn't pay enough attention back in the early 2010s, but they didn't. And that likely allowed Reddit to grow so large, it could be the forum for everybody, about everything. Fediverse and Lemmy just ends up being those old phpbb forums, that won't talk to or link to each other unless everything is excessively sanitized and drips with insincere civility.
Lemmy doesn't even have an Elon Musk to piss everyone off of Reddit and drive them to search for an alternative.