Xiaomi 13 Ultra: “Real camera” phone makes Samsung, Apple shake nervously
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There's a market for it. Here's the official announcement:
With that said, a “real camera” phone seems most likely to attract customers with specific photography goals, so there’s no reason to conclude that these phones are for people who don’t share those goals.
Neither does the creation of photography-focused phones have much bearing on the existence of phones with good batteries.
Single anecdote, but I charge my iPhone every 2-3 days depending on how heavily I use it, and it still manages to take excellent pictures.
I'm very frustrated with the battery on my Samsung S21. Smartphones now improve at a glacial, minutely iterative pace, so for the first time, I see no compelling reasons to upgrade -- except due to the total lack of battery health management, the battery is by now basically ruined. I'll try for a replacement.
Cheaper smartphones (say, in the low hundreds of bucks range) cover 100% of the needs of the average user.
Still, a lot of people buy the high end ones. My conclusion is that people like expensive toys (especially true when it comes to iPhones)
So, nothing wrong about Xiaomi going after that market. It certainly exists.
The Pro-1 was designed with a similar goal - try to make a pretty solid point-and-shoot camera in a phone form factor - and IMO it was fairly successful. It doesn't capture images as vividly (especially in low light) as phones that do more post-processing, but the results are also more genuine. It can save in JPEG+RAW like a serious camera. Like the other Xperias I've had, it's close to the stock Android, and there are only a few annoying changes/non-removable apps.
I'm curious if Xiaomi is able to do better here, especially with more room in the case.
[1] I own one,and I'm still not sure if it's supposed to be the number 1, a Roman numeral I, the letter I, a vertical pipe, or something else.
[2] e.g. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1669529-REG/sony_xper...
If by bigger you consider only 2 dimensions, sure.
Xiaomi 13 Pro
Xiaomi 12S/Ultra
Vivo X90 Pro+
Sharp Aquos R6 AKA Leitz Phone 1
Aquos R7
Xperia Pro-I
According to: https://curioussteve.com/tech/explained/sony-imx989-explaine...
Also: Oppo Find X6 Pro
Also, you are making a bad faith argument. The topic was in "product". You specifically tried to gate it to "hardware". China is the producer of most hardware in the world. They aren't going to ban stuff that was made by them. Software product on the other hand, aren't really their forte until recently and that they banned plenty.
I tried giving them benefits of the doubt before, it never went anywhere. Maybe here it is different. I guess I can try again.
Anyone can also check my account's been around since 2014 and links to my personal blog, twitter, etc.
So it's clear to most readers what the relative likelihood of attempted trolling is.
I will take the charitable view that there's real person behind the account who didn't bother to check before writing.
You are also free to respond to the other comment I made to your post and not jumping to another one. These remarks are not specifically for you. Go take a look at the account I replied to above yours to see why I said that.
At least not any that I'm aware of?
The context in this specific part is about the retaliations between countries. It has expanded beyond just one company when you start talking about entire economies fighting each other.
Besides, I already gave you the US hardware that China banned.
As far as I can tell news reports suggest their not invited to bid on government and SoE contracts, but their China revenue is far from zero so they obviously have not been banned from consumer or regular business sales.
Considering that cisco.cn works, is publicily accessible, recently updated, and lists some products, this 'ban' seems impossible to believe: https://www.cisco.com/site/cn/zh/index.html
Where did you source this information?
Basically every big name software maker in the US has faced or is under a Chinese ban by now.
Such as the ban on export of cryptography software.
What was attention grabbing in the last few years with Huawei was that physical tangible consumer products you could hold in your hands were banned.
The cryptography export restriction was a US initiative with obvious reasons.
The software bans I am talking about are from the Chinese side. For example China's bans on sites like google.
What Chinese consumer hardware manufacturers did recently (or rather, finally got noticed doing recently) is making their devices into spying toeholds in other countries. Even if nothing of interest to the Chinese takes place on your 17 year old daughter's phone, it's still on your home LAN exposed to the potential large attack surface area of Mom's work devices.
Or even worse, imagine a Chinese government ear permanently installed in the middle of our 5g infrastructure.
The ideology of the US government does not align with that of the Chinese government. Hasn't for a very long time. The only surprising thing about this whole situation is how long the US went along with Chinese shenanigans. I would have slammed the door on China over 20 years ago.
Restricting hardware technology devices is a much newer phenomena.
Perhaps the closest tech analogues with a longer history would be how CNC milling machines are controlled, which has been the case since the 90s too.
These aren't computers where you can just run your own stuff (hopefully). These are phones with embedded firmware and an OS that almost no consumer will change. We can call it hardware but it's clearly a software delivery vector instead.
This also applies to modern CNC milling machines. But I don't think anyone would consider them as such.
Even worse, this phone looks to use the same small sensors and small lenses all smartphones are saddled with. A bulkier form factor and slapping Leica’s logo doesn’t make a “real” camera. Big sensors and big lenses do.
These days though most people don't care about more pixels, but better filters. There's still a ways to go before smartphone cameras get there. (imagine building in Moment-type lenses in smartphone cameras).
My ideal phone camera would be a single APS-C sized sensor replacing all three current iPhone cameras. The lens should be a f1.2, 50mm equivalent pancake. Yes that’s hard to do, but using fancy fresnel lenses and a pile of CPU to correct things I bet you could make it work. Make the sensor ~30 megapixels so you can digital zoom.
Add a mount that includes communication so if you want you can add fancy lenses and they can be active parts of the autofocus system.
This design actually competes with low-end mirrorless and is probably even possible to build (the lens might be pushing what’s possible, but I bet we can get close).
Being behind a shield is also not itself weird - many people use filters as front element protection on interchangeable lens cameras. Nothing different there.
There are some side-effects. Sometimes there will be flicker from the flash (or maybe the active focus sensor?) that's reflected in the glass. Because phone cameras have such tiny apertures, dust and debris is more likely to be visible on the filter than on a full-size camera. I'm sure Leica can do a better job than me at minimizing those issues, but I wouldn't be sure they're non-existent.
[1] But of course it also works for circular polarizers, IR-bandpass filters, or anything else that comes in 72mm camera filter form.
https://m.dpreview.com/articles/0677420709/samsung-announces...
Of course that's personal taste but they should have put in better comparisons IMO.
Call it innovation, I guess...