FAA selects sustainable design for new control towers at smaller airports
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> helping our nation’s airports support more travelers, grow their local economies and prepare for the future of low-carbon aviation.
I doubt a vision of growth is compatible with "sustainability". In fact, I find it highly unlikely.
These are all use cases where consumption won't outstrip capacity, because airline travel is much more efficient then car travel, which is your other alternative unless someone wants to actually build high-speed rail.
Airline travel is only better than cars if you compare it to a 1-passenger car, and then ignore anything other than CO2 emissions. It’s pretty bad.
This is a good approach to a lot of things, except when said thing also has positive externalites and second order effects associated with it.
Travel is one such example, as it's essential to lubricate the economy. As such, we should encourage as much of it as possible. Business thrives on it.
Without cheap air travel, America is weak. We lack commuter rail infrastructure, and car travel is far too slow. Taxing air travel or increasing its costs are a nonstarter.
If we predicted the era of air travel to be coming to an end, we'd be making rail investments. Air travel is likely to continue growing, however, so there's little rush for domestic rail projects.
America flies.
Modern jet turbines are running within a few % of maximum thermodynamic efficiency. So what consequences other then CO2 emissions are worse then anything else?
And for that matter, how would biofuels possibly be worse fossil fuels, given that the whole point is to not emit net CO2 into the atmosphere. Obviously it's "efficient" because all the energy we put in has to come from the sun, rather then obtained for free but that's the point.
Indeed they are marvels of engineering. But that doesn't make them "sustainable". It just takes a lot of energy to push something through the air at high speed, no matter how efficient the engines are.
Apart from the CO2 emissions, there's also the issue of the GHG forcing effect of high altitude water vapor emissions. Current estimates are that flight at typical airliner altitudes of ~10 km results in a GHG forcing (over some decades) of roughly 3 times more than burning the same fuel on the ground.
> And for that matter, how would biofuels possibly be worse fossil fuels, given that the whole point is to not emit net CO2 into the atmosphere. Obviously it's "efficient" because all the energy we put in has to come from the sun, rather then obtained for free but that's the point.
The major issue is due to land use changes. Biodiversity is already in a sharp decline (arguably this is an as big, if not bigger issue than climate change), largely driven by converting nature into cropland. Secondly, converting nature into crops, whether for fuel or food, tends to result in large CO2 emissions due to the carbon that has been stored into the soils being released.
And finally, biofuels just don't scale. There isn't enough arable land on the planet to replace the amount of fossil fuels we use today.
I’m talking about biofuels as they exist today, not as they hypothetically exist in the future. Currently, you burn biofuels, you end up releasing more CO2 into the atmosphere, because the production of biofuels produces CO2. It’s not negligible, either.
All of the analyses I’ve seen of biofuel paint an incredibly dismal picture. As far as I can tell, the main strategy to reduce CO2 emissions is to stop burning fuels altogether, not switch to something like biofuel. Airplanes need power density & energy density in order to work which makes technologies like batteries unsuitable. Way easier to power something on the ground, where you’re not spending tons of energy just to keep it from crashing. Or better yet, on an electrified rail.
Why would you compare it with anything else? People don't actually fill their 5-8-person vehicles, almost ever, and certainly not on longer trips. I don't have any sources handy, but I'm pretty sure an airplane is significantly more fuel-efficient (which also means less CO2 output) per person for a NYC-LA trip than a gigantic pickup truck with even 2 people.
Comparing air travel to a fully-occupied Prius is a ridiculous comparison, because Americans just don't ever drive that way. They drive huge trucks and SUVs and they drive them with 1, or at most, 2 people.
Sure, but for many business travelers, air travel isn’t competing with car travel. It’s competing with a nearly-zero-emissions Teams call or Zoom meeting.
Citation needed. (FWIW It's wrong. It's also even more wrong if you consider future technologies, aka synthetic jet fuel vs. electric vehicles.)
This is a backwards viewpoint. A future of sustainable is a future of more consumption, but green consumption. Standard of living has a strong correlation with energy use. We'll only use more energy in the future. We're still a ways off from a Type 1 civilization.
This is a common trope among the HN crowd. There's no such thing as green consumption. Consuming resources means pollution, whether it be CO2, toxic substances or other refuse from industrial processes. Manufacturing solar panels and wind turbines still means resource extraction which is polluting by definition. Oh, and by the way, we don't know how to mine for metals without using fossil fuels. What you call "green consumption" simply does not exist.
Current practices in various industries and nations are unsustainable because they depend on conditions which are only possible over the short term. For example, cheap fossil fuels.
Some other practices are unsustainable in the grand scheme of things, because they are partly responsible for an environment which is itself unsustainable. For example, costs externalised to the environment which has a delayed reaction of several decades.
“Polluting” is not unsustainable by itself as long as you have a way to counterbalance it. You can have a sustainable system which extracts resources and exhausts co2.
“Green” is worthless as an environmental adjective because it has whichever definition you want to apply to it. If you say “sustainable consumption”, though, there’s no problem creating that. Nature itself is a closed system of sustainable consumption.
What magical property of fossil fuels is needed to mine?
Large mining corporations seem to be on the leading edge of decarbonisation.
After all, who wants to ship fuel miles out into the desert and then burn it in an enclosed underground space when you can use solar panels and electric motors?
If you're extra clever, you can actually generate electricity as you bring the heavy ore down to sea level.
Energy density. You need large amounts of energy throughout the mining and refining process. Digging, grinding, washing, refining, transporting - all done with petrol and gas. The energy density of solar & wind is just not there.
> Large mining corporations seem to be on the leading edge of decarbonisation.
Source?
> After all, who wants to ship fuel miles out into the desert and then burn it in an enclosed underground space when you can use solar panels and electric motors?
1. Most mining operations today are open mines. 2. Petrol is burned in ICE digging and grinding machines. 3. If you want to mine in the desert you also need large amounts of water in order to wash the ores. Just look at what's happening in Chile [1].
[1] https://www.npr.org/2022/09/24/1123564599/chile-lithium-mini...
What? Are there current control towers that run on something besides electricity from the grid? What is this actually talking about, backup generators?
Cost savings are there too, the grid gets cleaner and cheaper over time as renewables penetration hockey stick growth curve. Furnaces and boilers burn gas their entire lifetime.
https://www.iea.org/news/renewable-electricity-growth-is-acc...
https://zenmo.com/en/photovoltaic-growth-reality-versus-proj...
https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2022/05/16/a-fate-realized-1-tw-...
Cost is the most important factor in making green tech widespread, as has been proven time and time again.
Building green is mostly solved problem, though we continue to make new advances. This nonsense is an exercise in expenditure. I’m sure if we folded the money trail it’d take us some interesting places.
the towers in the press release are all end of life, and they need replacing, so you may as well toss in being green if you can.
https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/non_federal/r...
The FAA is going to provide a mobile tower through September after which the town, which owns the airport, must enter a lease for the tower including manning it with controllers at a cost of $720k per year. The town is currently investigating how to fund the mobile tower and a permanent replacement tower. They are seeking grants and/or considering instituting landing fees. The permanent tower must be completed and certified within 5 years.
These towers still need to be manned.
This last one is already done for approach control. Some areas have a consolidated TRACON facility, like NorCal Approach. At night they'll merge all the radio sectors together, and you end up talking to the same controller for half the state.
It's getting closed, though, and replaced with a physical tower. https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2023/march/22/r...
It looks 'sturdy'.
I didn't know they made LEGOs at this scale.
I knew ChatGPT would affect a lot of professions but I didn't think it would be this fast.
Future proof, It blends in seamlessly to the Bladerunneresque environment we imagine the future will look like.
We already removed all the 'slack' from the project.
I guess islands might be the first big winners.
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