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I hope it's good enough to finally ditch 1Password.

Why? Why even pursue another password manager at all when they are about to be totally dead anyway...

Would you like to explain why they are "about to be totally dead"?

I’m guessing PassKeys / WebAuthn rolling out everywhere but at the same time not every site will get it I know. After all, there’s still sites in 2023 that ask users to limit their password length to 16 and only use certain characters.

Totally true, but it's a shrinking market - even 1password already announced a pivot to passkeys

Why not Vaultwarden?

(Another user) I've been trying to switch from Keeweb, and Vaultwarden is extremely keyboard-unfriendly in comparison. Perhaps the normal user only use it for auto-completing web forms using a browser extension, but I feel it's actively painful to use the web interface.

Have you tried the desktop application? (I haven't, but there is one, which is assumedly better)

If not, Bitwarden clients are open source, might be worth raising a feature request or offering someone a few bucks to implement what you want to see if you can't DIY.

With my particular use case, I don't auto-fill as that's a security vuln waiting to happen.

Curious why you're looking to switch from KeeWeb. Been using KeeWeb for several years and have been really happy with it for my desktop.

I'm looking for something with integrated storage that enables emergency delegation and securely sharing of passwords within the family.

Isn't that another electron "app"?

What's wrong with 1Password?

Version 8 has been plagued with various bugs with editing, scrolling, sync and stability issues on the Mac and iOS apps. It has become extremely difficult to rely on, and really the only path back to stability has been to downgrade to 1Password v7.

> Version 8 has been plagued with various bugs with editing, scrolling, sync and stability issues on the Mac and iOS apps.

FWIW: I was a very vocal complainer about v8 issues and was actively searching for alternatives. However, v8 finally doesn't suck and I'm satisfied for now. I'm hoping they learned a bunch of lessons from that completely botched launch.

Hmm, maybe I’ll give it another go in a few months. I last tried it in January and immediately regretted the upgrade. Probably the most glaring issue for me was that the edit button opened a different item than what you were viewing, and resulted in multiple unintentional password overwrites.

hmm which OSX / iOS versions are you on? The OS-es I mean? the latest ones? I'm on latest and it's been smooth sailing with 1P, but reading your comment, I am concerned I may be overlooking something, especially in the "sync" space as those kind of issues may creep up on you undetected

I last tried it in January and I was on the latest of everything - OSes, apps. I said this to the poster above but the straw on the camel’s back for me was when I realized hitting the edit button took me to the wrong entry and that I have unintentionally overwritten a bunch of unrelated passwords on the iOS app. Re: sync, I ran into some issues syncing between the safari extension and the iOS apps that resulted in some sort of reconciliation issue. I was already downgraded by that point though and not in the mood to investigate.

Edit: looks like someone has posted about the issue in their support community although it has devolved a bit into a hot topic. https://1password.community/discussion/138165/edit-jumps-to-...

I've noticed that this only happens to me if I edit a login from the iOS password integration rather than from the app itself. For example, if I hit the password icon on the keyboard to bring up 1Password and create/edit a login from there, I'll encounter that same issue. One (rather annoying) workaround is for me to kill the 1Password app and when I reopen it, the last login I created/edited outside the app will pop up in edit mode. I close it and redo the process with the second last login I've created/edit popping up and I close it. I iterate until all the logins I've created/edited outside of the app stop popping up.

It's a rather peculiar bug.

Cloud only now. Non-starter.

As of their releases from version 8 1Password went really downhill.

It's also just another electron web app and if there's one thing I don't want electron "apps" doing is storing my secrets.

They no longer support offline / non-cloud vaults and force a recurring subscription.

Beyond that it shows the kind of attitude that's present within their company now - it's all about cutting costs to sell as many recurring subscriptions to pay off their VC funding and investors.

As mentioned by others: cloud only, buggy electron clients (and seriously how can you trust electron with passwords), aggressively hostile to their paying customers, endlessly removing features that people rely on, removing usable keyboard navigation. I could go on for days.

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