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I've been using Bing for a few weeks now it is not all the way there yet but so far the experience is more gratifying than Google. The results seem to be better and there is less ads on top the search results. Their AI integration is also well accomplished. No complains there...

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Anecdotally, their actual search results have sucked for me. For example, I searched for “narrowest cars with 6 or more seats”, and Bing’s results were terrible and irrelevant. The AI version gave me some acceptable results but very few. Google returned pages of relevant results from different years.

When I try that search string on DuckDuckGo, I see what looks to be pretty decent results, FWIW.

DDG is backed by the bing index

Only partially.

Also, even if it were just a Dr front for Bing, it doesn't change that I got perfectly reasonable results for the search string said to return unusable results from Bing, so

Not partially, totally now. They used Yandex before, but they stopped using it after the war I believe.

You probably tried on balanced mode, that is shitty. Tried now on Creative and seems... very good?

https://imgur.com/a/xekxNAh

I'd use Bing's chat feature if it wasn't only available on Edge... I can't seem to get any Chromium browsers working well on my Fedora install. I already want to use Microsoft's search engine, why do they need me to use their browser too?

When MS switches on bing chat on chrome it will be a huge blow to google

Doubt it. Not enough people even know about it or will discover it to be a "huge blow" to google

There’s an extension that enables it for all browsers

There are addons/extensions for that!

Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bing-chat-for...

Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bing-chat-for-all-...

Last I checked you can just use a user agent switcher plugin to say you're using bing FYI.

That's exactly what this is doing, but only on the bing.com domain

https://github.com/anaclumos/bing-chat-for-all-browsers/blob...

Didn't realized that. My currently employer is MS-stack based so I have been working with Edge and to be fair, this was also surprising. I would probably rather work with Firefox but the browser is not that intrusive and provide the same level of support and tooling I get with FF. I think one the reasons I decided to stick with Edge these last few weeks is the extremely poor support I get when working with the SharePoint implementations that are for internal use, seems to be a issue with the way FF interacts with Windows Authentication.

Blind advice: it may be related to kerberos authentication. Firefox needs to whitelist the domains against which kerberos authentication can be performed.

You may try configure network.negotiate-auth.trusted-uris and network.negotiate-auth.delegation-uris

There's a plugin for both chrome and firefox that allow chat to work within.

They both work for me at least on MacOS and Windows; haven't tried any linux distos yet, but worth a look.

I've been using it for about 4 years now. Occasionally, I'll try Google when I'm having difficulty finding something with Bing. It's usually something where I have only a vague recollection of what I'm looking for and I'm starting by using search to find other keywords to eventually get to my true search terms. But it has yet to work out that Google has provided better results in those cases. Indeed, the results are often worse and I doubt I'd be able to make any progress with Google anymore.

And now, with ChatGPT integrated with Bing, I have found it makes very, very short work of those sorts of vague, barely remembered searches.

I use bing via duck duck go and it's total dog shit but I don't want to use Google so I just suffer through it. And even Google's 1st page results are pretty useless nowadays

except you cant use the AI function without using Edge.. That's a huge complaint from me.

Half the time I enter a prompt it spits back regular search results without any chat response.

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