Bookshop.org survives and thrives in Amazon’s world
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I'm confused. It sounds like the independent booksellers in this scenario are doing basically nothing of note, their web store fronts are just an ad for bookshop.org where the indie gets a large cut. Is that right?
I mean, they're sending traffic. I don't think that's "nothing of note".
I can vouch for that. A small foreign-books bookshop in the city I live in has recently hired a new bookshop seller and, as such, the selection of books has slightly changed. For the better, from my pov, as I'm now in there every week or so and each time I get something I didn't know I had wanted (until seeing it in there, that is).
All this to say that the unknown unknowns are a real problem when it comes to purchasing books, and a curator who can solve that for the clients of a bookshop is a highly valuable asset.
This is an interesting point and a crux for many small businesses. I suppose curation is being monetized many ways, including subscription clothing boxes. In theory, I think this represents the problem that "influencers" should have fixed.
Also, that is one horrific example lol.
I’m a big fan of Bookshop. I just wish they could break into the DRM free epub business. Libro.fm managed to get into the DRM free audiobook business somehow.
https://www.gnod.com/search/books
Adding Bookshop.org now.
If anybody here is buying online from a store that is not on the list, let me know. (With a short description of what makes it special.)
I got inspired to build this when I saw how much of an outry the closing of Book Depository caused. Although I have not yet completely understood what made Book Depository special. Was it only the free international shipping? Or was there more to it?
My understanding is that their business model was to offer a really wide selection of titles, instead of the "top 10" type offering Amazon is mostly about. I think that's a significant part of it.
> The Gloucester-based bookseller was founded in 2004 by Stuart Felton and Andrew Crawford, a former Amazon employee, with the mantra of “selling ‘less of more’ rather than ‘more of less’”. It aimed to sell 6m titles covering a wide variety of genres and topics, as opposed to focusing solely on bestsellers. [0]
Seeing as Book Depository later became a subsidiary of Amazon, it's fair to question whether that model held true. I don't have enough insight into Amazon's catalogue to say either way. Also, I can't remember to which degree Amazon relied on "other sellers" back in 2004 or if that came later ("other sellers" being a way to offer a wider selection than what one carries oneself in retail).
To answer your question for an example of a title Amazon doesn't have; I recently found myself recently looking for "Hur svårt kan det va'" by Eva Bodfäldt, which may admittedly be a contrived example, although Amazon does carry another title in Swedish by the same author [1] (though used and from a third party). As it happens, Book Depository has the title... alas, it's not available for delivery anymore.
[0] - https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/apr/04/amazon-to-clos... [1] - https://a.co/d/bIEwL9W [2] - https://www.bookdepository.com/Hur-svårt-kan-det-va-en-liten...
I think there needs to be more info than just "They are not Amazon". Otherwise all shops in the list would be the same. Except Amazon :)
Which of the 3 you mentioned would you buy from for your next book order?
World of Books is a second-hand book retailer with free shipping in the UK. They don't have every possible book in stock, but you can usually find what you need there.
I buy pretty much every book from them now.
Search aggregator of a rare book websites. Useful for identifying reputable dealers and beginning a book search.
You select a local bookstore you want to support, they can curate collections of books and they get some portion of what you spend.
I love audio books. I wish there was a store that sells them for download without DRM. Just like as if you bought the CD, but without the CD.
awesomebooks is free delivery for UK, but their international delivery is reasonable at £2.99 (+ £1.00 to £4.00 additional items: https://www.awesomebooks.com/help/shipping)
I am surprised that there still is variety. Is there a reason an independent bookstore lists their books on one marketplace but not on another?
Sometimes I've been able to get a better deal going directly to the site of the bookseller. Biblio will have a lower price but higher shipping than on the seller's site. Not always though
Hope they keep growing!
Another alternative that I was told of, which I haven't tested yet, is Wordery (wordery.com). They advertise free worldwide shipping like Book Depository.
Update: order was dispatched like five minutes ago.
Does anyone know whether bookshop.org or any of the other networks ship to the EU without customs issues?
Ehrm… you are required to pay import duty and VAT for any imported goods into the EU (there are no low value exceptions anymore as of a few years ago). There’s no way to circumvent that.
In Belgium for example books have 0% import duty and 6% VAT. Adding 20€, long delays, and a terrible customer experience (good luck trying to correct any data submitted to customs) to that is rarely worth the hassle.
And this is more or less the same for the other shipping companies such as DHL, UPS, and FedEx.
Because the fee is per shipment, it's not that bad if you're receiving several hundred euros worth of products. But if you just want to receive a book, it can easily double the cost.
I know FedEx and UPS offer shipping options that are supposed to pre-pay any owed tax, but I don’t know if they charge a fee to do so and I’ve also had a terrible time getting things through customs using them in other countries.
The new rules have actually made shipping from Aliexpress easier. VAT is displayed and payed to Aliexpress, they handle customs (as long as total order value is less than €150). In practice they consolidate packages from several sellers into one shipment where possible (although of course with a long-tail delay), and fly it to their new distribution center in Luik. Customs has a small presence, but because VAT is paid they're mostly concerned about other things such as counterfeits.
Last-mile shipping is then done by postal service, without any additional fees.
https://www.zoll.de/EN/Private-individuals/Postal_consignmen...
As for the cash, they have been around for about 20 years now and have revenues around $65 million a year. So $25m in lifetime donations is not as much as it seems. Also, they don't say they donated that much cash, they said they have "raised" it. Which usually means through programs like asking customers to donate in addition to their order.
But I just remembered that they were sold to Better World Libraries in 2019, who is a non-profit associated with the internet archive. (It seems that I made a similar comment on HN back then but I have little recollection of it.) So maybe all of their profits go to a good cause now, I can't really find many details on the acquisition. But they were originally VC and PE funded. So I wonder if the business has dwindled like many book/textbook resale companies have over the last few decades. I can't imagine that a non-profit would pay any kind of premium for a for-profit business.
Most of the tech companies people on this site work for are making a loss, but they still find buyers.
Prime's, and by extension Amazon's, real moats are 1) that sweet sweet 'free' (actually 'no marginal cost') shipping and 2) aggregation. Google Shopping is trash, as are most shopping aggregators.
(One of our NYR each year is we pick a corporation/company we're too reliant on and cut it out.)
> El próximo día 31 de marzo Bookshop.org cerrará sus puertas en España.