On one hand she's a crook. On the other hand she scammed Ruper Murdoch, Kissinger, the DeVos family and a bunch of other ghouls that deserve to be robbed.
I guess in the end there we're more innocent victims than ghouls taken to the cleaners.
I guess in the end there we're more innocent victims than ghouls taken to the cleaners.
Even if I dislike people I still don't condone stealing from them.
Laws are the tools written to control the general public by the elites, good luck with that.
This is a hilariously naive take on how the world works
Persecuting based on class in a society with such an unequal distribution of wealth? Fair game.
They're already at war with us; don't carry their water for them and pretend we're "equal before the law" or some such nonsense. We clearly aren't.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/1/31/galant-welcomin...
The same "arguments" could be made by replacing the word "steal" with "murder" and I would still have the same position and principles, because I also do not condone murder even if the person being murdered is someone I despise.
I think in all contexts stealing is wrong, it's just in some contexts stealing being wrong doesn't matter because the alternative of dying makes it a moot point.
> What about a partisan group opposing an occupation?
This was answered as essentially war-time activity. It's still wrong to steal from someone, but again the alternative of being killed makes it a moot point.
> At what point is stealing permissible?
Stealing is still wrong, it's just that it can obviously exist in scenarios that are so wrong for other reasons that the stealing is the least of concern.
Yes. There were[0]. Not sure why you'd give Holmes points for defrauding folks as well though.
Do you really think she would have acted differently if the investors were Mother Teresa[1] and similar?
[0] https://archive.is/bauWr (Wall Street Journal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missionary_Position:_Mothe...
She was pretty good at convincing people that she was predominantly doing the latter, though.
[1] With allegations of unethical forced deathbed conversions.
She is not a person to look up to. Organized religion disappoints, 99 times out of 100
― Steven Weinberg
Murdoch and co’s only life skill is being rich which mesmerizes those who think fiat economics and American civic life are divine mandates of a higher power even if they don’t belong to a traditional religion.
I actually selected her as an example because off the cuff I couldn't think of someone else that some significant proportion of folks here on HN wouldn't say exactly that about. I guess I shouldn't have used a real person as an example. Lesson learned. N.B.: I am an atheist and find the Catholic Church (not specific Catholic adherents, I judge individuals based on their individual behavior) to be, in the main, a bad thing.
My point wasn't to glorify Mother Teresa (or anyone else). Rather, I was pointing out that it wouldn't have mattered who Theranos' investors were, Holmes would have defrauded them too.
Perhaps a better example would have been an attorney who works 60 hours a week at their day job doing pro-bono cases and litigating malicious/unfair prosecutions of innocent people, then funds and runs a soup kitchen/food pantry for the hungry another 40 hours a week. Is that better?
I'm sure some segment of the folks here will decry even that person too, as a rabble-rouser trying to destroy civilization through wealth redistribution (one bowl of soup and a piece of bread at a time) and questioning the authority of the police and prosecutors.
Who are, of course, the salt of the earth and only do what they do for the best of reasons (cf. The Innocence Project, Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, The Central Park Five, etc., etc,. etc.) /s
So I'll make the point again without the distraction (causing folks to ignore my point -- apologies for sending you down the Mother Teresa rat hole?) of an actual, flawed, human being:
Holmes would almost certainly have defrauded any investors, regardless of your (the general 'you' here) opinion of the value of that particular persons' moral/ethical bona fides.
ya blind justice is outdated.