Comment by apsurd | Hacker News Reader

Comment by apsurd | Hacker News Reader

San Francisco is the gold rush town. everyone comes to strike it rich. That includes the mentally ill, addicts, and unsheltered.

It's a crazy city isn't it. Please be kind. if everyone wants something and SF is the open place you go to get it, well it's a clusterfuck of people as is the reality of a clusterfuck of people.

My friend told me once, about USA that of course it's a massive shit show. We put it on the front door that we want everyone, and so we have to deal with... everyone. All races, religions, idealogies oh dear. and then people say how lovely Sweden is. i mean it is lovely, but it's a little easier to be lovely when everyone looks acts and believes all the same things in all the same ways.

I just don't want you to trash SF like it should be something for you to extract what you want from it. if you have bad things to say about SF, give us your energy to represent change. if you're doing that from Texas because "well fuck taxes" than you're just a transaction. and you're mean.

Is this also your theory on why there is such a problem with homelessness in Portland?

The homeless folks in Portland weren’t as violent as the folks in SF, by my memory.

I don’t like a lot of what the parent post says but I think we should consider that there’s a grain of truth somewhere in it.

For that id say it's the simplest explanation: warm weather. so all west coast has it harder with unsheltered.

cities that are more progressive, like portland, sign themselves up for the worst of it, yes!

fwiw im a socal native, and not all west coast cities have unsheltered problems. but the solution is obvious: have no regard for human life. Irvine, Ca is "so safe" and pristine and lovely because it expels the riff raff outside of its borders.

out of sight out of mind

Curiously, this is where all the early techbros who couldn’t afford SF moved to and bought homes.

fwiw a bigger fraction of people who live in Sweden were born outside the country than in the US

Thats not a good argument when you take the fact that Sweden has the same population as Michigan.

fwiw more swedish people live in the US than in Sweden.

what is your point, are you trying to argue for this statement of the parent, the reason why Sweden was even brought up?

> everyone looks acts and believes all the same things in all the same ways

then you are not making a good argument because clearly not everyone in Sweden looks and acts the same, considering the fraction of its population who came from overseas.

i shouldn't have called out a specific country. So sweden has a population of 10 million to USAs 330.

I'm just getting at the idea that by design, USA seems to want to deal with all of these people. There's 2x order of magnitude difference of chaos.

I'm not waiving the US flag btw, im just saying it seems reasonable that's it a 2x magnitude more complicated problem no?

So does Australia: 28% to the US 27%. I've also lived in SF before, and most of the junkies and crazy people had US accents. I really doubt it's international immigration that's the problem there.

San Fran is just reverting back to San Fran pre tech bro era, and the gentrimmigrants are baffled.

It's interesting to see so much 'the city is changing' type messaging when this is just how San Fran has always been.

Thanks for your stay, we hope you had a good time. Try not to get stabbed or shot on your way out.

Grew up in the area and lived in SF for years. I, too, hated all those good paying jobs coming into the city bringing in all those people who were annoyed by our crime and shit-on-the-street ways! We really need to keep anyone out if where they currently live has inferior economic opportunities, amirite?

On the real though, this pining for SF's old status quo because it fulfilled some weird grunge fantasy is just getting old. Yeah SF was a grimy, shitty, somewhat cheap place to live filled with equally shitty art and crap bands. It was shitty all the way from the 1960's until the early 90's when a homeless guy wandered in the TV repair shop we were at in the mission and pulled a knife and me and my brother while my dad was at the counter. Maybe it was great before then and maybe a lot of the people there want it to be better. Sorry if you don't get what you want.

Bee Tee Dubs, bro, people from or who live in SF don't call it San Fran.

I lived there around 2005, only the mission and tenderloin where remotely dangerous to what seems to be 80% of the city now. I'm pretty sure there have been tangible changes to how the city is managed. Most cities didn't get this problem after the pandemic so that can't be the only factor. Regardless "reverting back" is not a good sign.

"gentrimmigrants", may I borrow that?

no, one can have a functioning government, police and basic public safety in a city with huge tax base most can only dream of.

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