USPS facility in Utah does nothing but decipher handwriting
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Anyway, my cousin lives in a small Virginia town, current pop. 38,000 but closer to 5,000 back then. She has a slightly unusual first name. About 25 years ago I guessed it was rare enough that whoever threw mail in the town would remember it. So I sent the mail to Dorothy, Gloucester, VA (not her real name). No street address, no zip code. It got to her with apparently no delay.
I tried the same thing about 5 years ago but included her last name and the zip code for Gloucester. It never got to her, which makes perfect sense.
I seem to remember a "local only" box in the town where I grew up but that hasn't been a thing for decades now.
Post offices around us have two mail slots when you walk in to drop mail in the box: local only, and everywhere else. Presumably they have (once had?) separate localized processing for those in the “local” bin. Because of post office closures and reduced hours, I think everything is just passed off to the regional facility for the last few years.
Another interesting discovery: I live about 3mi from my parents. They’re over the line in another county. My post office services them, but when I still lived in their house, all our local government business (schools, taxes and whatnot) was in the county seat about 15mi further away from the serving post office, closer to the next regional facility further south. If we ever dropped mail, say from mom to her mother, in that town, it took at least an extra day because it had to hit two regionals before getting to grandmother’s local.
I'll use the location that I worked at as an example. In Wilmington, NC, once your carrier returns to the station, they drop your letter into a collection bin. This collection bin is driven to Fayetteville, NC, where it is then processed via OCR. After being OCR'd it has a machine-readable bar-code, and will be sorted for delivery to a local station. The machinery involved in the OCR and sorting process is larger than any of the local stations I worked at. Additionally, almost all of the mail pieces that I delivered were intercity, not intracity. Your use case is the exception, not the rule.
There are many exceptions and corner cases to what I described, but that's what the process looks like for most mail pieces. Locating the scanning and sorting machinery at a hub rather than each individual spoke makes sense. UPS, where I currently work, has some minor differences, but the hub and spoke model is largely the same.
Now, utility bills come from some distant office, as do letters from banks, and we don't send invitations very often.
X years ago, bills were sent by closer companies, the bank was local and it was polite to invite someone to dinner by letter.
With that, it would have made sense to separate local and other mail as soon at the postman brought it to the post office.
$3.75 in 1975 is $20.97 today. A quick search shows starting pay for a mail carrier today is $16/hour. The federal minimum wage is 7.25/hour which would be $1.3/hour in 1975.
You were actually paid very well at $3.75/hour compared to today.
What did you think of the rest of the story?
Second was a story I read on hacker news fairly recently. There is a Latin American country (I forget which one) where the street addresses are essentially unusable and the mail carriers have to find the final location by using their own knowledge of the area.
There may be more than one, but Costa Rica is definitely addressed this way. A hotel I stayed in was 70 meters behind the church of Saint somebody, there was a great restaurant who was “near the old tree” (and everyone knew which one!). It was impressive.
Don't understand why they didn't create new addresses when they subdivided these plots from 2 to 6 houses.
Bad title but- https://geoawesomeness.com/how-the-crazy-japanese-addressing...
I can't find an image, but I was lost in Japan and had the address I needed, and a shopkeeper took out an ultra local map where each /shop/ was about the size of my thumb, to find where the address actually was.
This is definitely the case in India and I used to look for a postman when lost.
I imagine it's pretty uncommon these days especially after all the E911 rationalization of the past 2-3 decades. But when I was growing up in a hardly back of beyond Philadelphia suburb we had a rural delivery route which was just a street name.
I imagine most everyone at a university in the US these days still has a physical inbox of some sort. But working as a not-officially-remote worker at a company, you basically can't get a work package to me unless we make special arrangements. (I basically give you my home address on the rare times I need something physically delivered.)
Nicaragua and Costa Rica use a landmark based addressing system, where "From the park, 1 Block South" could be valid address.
He lived in a fascinating time of growth and expansion in the USA. He was born on a farm without a car or electricity. And he lived until the early 2000's with a cellular phone in his pocket.
There's the big "essential" stuff- housing, healthcare, education- which have skyrocketed in price and nowadays take a higher percentage of people's salaries. Then there's groceries, consumer goods, electronics, restaurants, which have gone up much slower. So in a way, that $12/hour was good in terms of the amount of non home cooked food you could get (or live music tickets or whatever other things you considered luxuries at the time).
The tiers are relative to the labor component.
Goods & services that have gotten more efficient over time as we've introduced technology, automation, (what we do on this site) or been offshored.. have gone up slower than inflation.
Everything that has a fixed, domestic labor component has gone up faster than inflation.
There's really no other magic trick to it.
Food is a great example. Something like 40% of the country lived & worked on farms in 1900. That number is now about 1%. That means 40% of the entire countries labor was required to feed 100%, and now it only requires 1%. So a 2.5:1 to a 100:1 ratio change of food labor consumers to providers.
Other areas like education & healthcare, the lack of efficiency is often a selling point. Look at colleges that advertise student:faculty ratios or K-12 districts that talk about classroom sizes. In my experience we've probably actually gotten less efficient as everyones gotten much more precious about the education their kids receive.
Most stats have shown we haven't really made much labor efficiencies on housing construction. No one wants to live in a prefabricated / factory built home, which is what would drive down the labor costs dramatically. That said I'm kind of a weirdo and like to browse the container home websites frequently, lol.
Further, modern homes are bigger (and nicer) than our parents or their parents generation lived in.
Couple that with the land component being basically inflationary due to natural scarcity PLUS government zoning rules restricting lot sizes to be artificially high, banning multi-family construction, etc.
You have a lot (basically all) tipping the needle towards higher cost.
See it works both ways.
YIMBY argument is largely that government and neighbors shouldn’t have such a front ability to restrict development.
Again, trailer parks have been a thing for 70 years now. The innovation here has been rewriting zoning rules without actually rezoning, to bring the trailer park to people who can afford to live somewhere better. The funny thing about class warfare, though, is that people take their lack of class with them and end up making slums wherever they go, and other people manage to make a buck and stay ahead of them.
There were no conditions that the surrounding properties wouldn't change over time. You might have thought there were, but it was an illusion. If you want to control your neighborhood, buy it for yourself.
> the reasoning behind the change was a foolish sop toward social justice, and clearly comes from a place of sheer hatred born of jealousy toward anyone living in a single family dwelling.
This is ridiculous. The reason behind the change was likely because residents of your city want cheaper housing, and your government is trying to make that happen. Most Americans grew up in single family homes, but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to keep living there themselves, and any animosity towards single family homes is because these people are forced to live there because nothing else is available in their city, and they would rather spend their money on something else rather than a single family home.
Your suggestion that denser housing options like low-rise (plexes), midrise, or even highrise are "slums" is patently false.
Buying a piece of land doesn't entitle us to control what happens on neighboring pieces of land.
My parents house used to be surrounded by farms and woods, now it's surrounded by homes.
100 years ago 5 story brownstones in NYC were surrounded by other brownstones, then by mid-rises, and now by high-rises.
The vacant lot next to me is now going to be developed into a house. If I wanted it vacant, I should have bought it and carried the RE tax indefinitely.
No one is banning single family homes. We are just trying to reconcile that the main cost lever is density, and in a country with growing population, mostly crowding into a few metropolitan areas.. if you want the next generation to be able to afford a place to live, we can't leave the real estate market ossified.
This is an attempt to change some laws set by the previous generation that restricts your right to develop your land, and freezes the housing market as it is, constraining supply.
If the state was literally banning the construction of single family homes, or taking yours away with eminent domain, you'd have more of a leg to stand on.
Here in the San Francisco Bay Area the twin forces of NIMBYism and Big Government have made it difficult and uneconomical to build anything. The NIMBYs have enacted extremely restrictive zoning laws almost everywhere that prevents you from entitling projects on the front end, and well-intentioned over-regulation has driven up the cost actually building anything on the back end.
After you spend years in public hearings placating bored and angry old people, you then need to hire more professional services, pay higher impact fees, pay higher permitting fees, etc than practically anywhere else in the country. It'll cost me more to knock down my house here than it would cost to build the same plans somewhere else.
My parents live on a 1 acre lot in a non-HCOL area, which costs 1/2 of what a parking spot in Manhattan sells for. Their 1 acre lot comes with a 2000 sq ft home.
Class sizes haven't gone down in colleges, admin costs have gone up though.
What's common between them is they're essential services and the government increases their affordability. Student loans, mortgage interest deduction, tax breaks on healthcare spending (HSA, etc).
Okay it still happens but until the 1990s it was pretty much all restaurants except fast food chains. Now, it seems like most new restaurants use the "customer orders at the counter" model to save money on wait staff.
First, like it or not, chains are a form of efficiency in terms of management/procurement/logistics overhead.
Certainly more fast casual formats than before that reduce the need for front of house staff.
And as always with labor shocks, efficiencies get found. With the recent pandemic shock of restaurant shut downs & slow reopening... a lot of restaurants are back to full pre-pandemic high tables served (or more, in places like NYC where seating has expanded to large outdoors spaces never occupied 2019 or before), but never hired back their full staff.
Im my experience, it seems more like the tiers are relative to the regulatory or barriers to entry.
Starting a hospital or college or building a home has regulatory barriers. And those prices have climbed dramatically the past two decades.
A lot of these pre-00s hourly wage/cost stories are kind of perplexing to me. It's interesting in how clearly they show the relative strength of labor in different eras.
I remember my dad telling me he worked in a record score & lived at home to put himself through college in the 70s. Going to college in the 2000s, this was obviously no longer in any way possible.
This was an era I was making $5/hr working retail myself, against gas that was $1.50/gal & eating off the $1 menu for my meal break.. it wasn't very much.
Looking at data, 30 years before when my dad was working he'd have made at least $2.10/hr against gas of $0.35-0.40/gal or so.
Currently the ratio in our home state would be $14/hr against gas of about $3.50/gal.
91126 was the zip code for Caltech undergraduate housing, which would have been sufficient to get the letter to the Caltech post office. The Caltech post office would have recognized 1-59 as the building code for Ricketts House and put it in the bundle of mail for Ricketts. The carrier there would have put it in the "T" box in the mailbox array in Ricketts lounge.
But even better - they'd build up an institutional set of training data for machine learning and could build the best handwriting recognizer on the planet.
You mean siphon money from USPS
> they'd build up an institutional set of training data for machine learning and could build the best handwriting recognizer on the planet.
You mean, they'd use private people's data to build up a closed dataset they'd sell to other companies for money.
Is it a closed dataset, or are they selling it to other companies? Your language evokes privacy concerns. I’m sure you know that, and I’m sure that that’s intentional. Using someone’s handwriting as training data for OCR, as part of a training dataset significantly large enough to be used as training data in the first place, does not pose a material additional privacy concern.
But it does. It so very much does, because it always does. Always. Every time.
Data gets anonymized, then other firms de-anonymize. Co-mingled anonymized, too.
And once the MBAs see it, it will be pried away, and sold, and processed, and snarfed, with hooks during training too.
Because it always happens. Always. Every time. It's like candy to a child, like food to a starving man.
At this point, we are insane to think data stored or even observed, is not being monetized against us.
So the parent's post is not alarmist, because it always, always happens.
USPS literally processes people's private addresses. I'm amazed how you can say "Does not pose privacy concern" with a straight face when the entirety of the past decade has shown us that if there's private data, companies will abuse it, sell it, leak it etc.
It'd get delivered, if it does, because rather than drop mail they'll send it to Gloucester and the delivery people in Gloucester might be able to fix that, so nothing to do with this facility.
The issues that we (as keyers) had with the software in development were virtually impossible to address, given that there were several corporate layers between the contacts. The one time that a load of developers came to our data centre to observe keyers in action, one of our quick-thinking lower managers managed to snag a contact detail and for about a month there was an easy option to get small niggles fixed.
oh, btw my tph was 2-3000 so I don't know why the USPS workers are so slow. Actually thats just boasting, I probably do - it is likely that the software is a whole lot better than it was, which means that the quality of the images that it cannot handle has gone right down and takes longer for a human to process as a result.
The work-load almost certainly has changed with technological improvement. Back then, my recollection is that we'd see more machine type than handwritten addresses, but only slightly. Also we were only filling in the gaps depending on how well the original OCR worked. Sometimes we'd have to key in the important portions of the whole address (house number, part of a street name, postal code)... sometimes just the postal code, and sometimes only a portion of the postal code. Some of these data entry modes were faster than others; the extended "zip code" data entry only required two numeric keystrokes whereas the full data entry mode required much more time.
One of my most valuable lessons working there as a green engineer - you can figure out more in an hour sitting down with the end user then months of meetings before then.
The article says, "Our keyers key about a thousand images an hour, so they're spending about 2 seconds on an image".
Are keyers typing whole addresses in that quickly?
At least in the UK, if we had a postcode then that was enough. Not even required to type the whole thing. The UK postcode is split into two parts, the first part (outcode) designates the sorting office to send to and for newly posted mail on the afternoon shift then thats the main thing they wanted immediately; the image has been taken and the mail item has been tagged and will be in a van for some hours. If no postcode then usually the postal town is enough to get it on its way. When I was there, the second part (incode) was not done but I think these days that is processed by the night shift before the posties came in at 5am to take it for delivery.
Looking at the pictures in the article, they only have one address on the screen at a time. We had two; the one you are keying and the next one stacked above. It doesn't take long to learn to pipeline, so you are looking at the top image all the time but typing the details from the bottom one which was previously up top. There was an indicator to the side saying what it wanted and you generally only had to type that or various rejects.
also, 70 hours a week of that is pretty insane. Our normal was 40 and sometimes (eg xmas) up to 20 hours overtime was available. We worked 60 mins for each 10 minute eye break, and one 30 min meal break during the shift.
Then they tell us we consume too much resources.
Purchasers of domains are simply expected to buy all misspelled and closely matching addresses or a opportunistic advertiser or worse will set-up shop.
It’s the guaranteed pickup of any stamped paper from any mailbox that is the the marvel of USPS, when you think about it.
Handwriting was such an integral part of a person. You'd almost be able to identify a close friend just by looking at their handwriting and you'd see it frequently enough on letters and things.
As someone who practices Western calligraphy and who carries a fountain pen, i can't help but feel a little sad reading articles like that prove that the written hand is dying out.
I think it is more of a "reliance on tech", not of any gen, but of "where society is".
The point of cursive, was writing fast and legibly. You can write far faster than typing, for example, on a smartphone keyboard.
There is no correct or incorrect thing here, however, losing cursive means we are trapped in a world where everything we write, everything we do, is tracked.
This is really more about optimal use of a medium (paper), and is equivalent to being able to type on a qwerty keyboard, which is equally learned and weird.
So for me, it is about the loss of non-electronic means.
And that may be OK, but we may also find it is not some day.
EG, we will surely want efficient paper use, if we all end up in some controlled state. You'd be nuts to use any computing device to communicate then.
Smartphone, maybe, but I average 120 wpm on a computer keyboard and I can't get anywhere near that on a phone. By hand, if I write as fast as I think, I have trouble reading it later, myself. And if I try to write legibly --let alone trying to make pretty-looking letters-- my fingers start to hurt after a while, because I have to make such an effort.
I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. Sometimes I even find some of the shapes I make as I write by hand aesthetically pleasing to look at. They're just not easy to read.
I can't read cursive either.
Aren't you making my point here? You can't read it, and I presume write it, but you're saying printing can't keep up legibly?
Cursive fixes that speed problem.
What I was trying to say was that if I write by hand as fast and freely as I write on a keyboard, my handwriting is illegible. If I try to control it and make it more legible, it slows me down very much, and my hand hurts. And btw, it's still not pretty.
So basically I confused "cursive" with "neat, tidy, calligraphic handwriting" when even my sloppy, ugly, unreadable handwriting is at least somewhat cursive. Apologies- I'm not a native speaker of English.
Maybe something similar has happened with your writing.
Past that, I'm glad to see cursive go away; it is only legible from the people who are capable of doing it well.
I've been doing genealogy for some years now and I can't count the number of unreadable documents that would have been saved, had they been written in block. For each one, I am reminded that cursive begins with curse.
At 1/10th the speed, with hands that tire much quicker.
Later when programs came out they let you draw perfect squares, circles, and lines, I felt we had finally ushered in a New Age. I’ll be happy if I never have to pick up a pen again.
That's a noble thought and all but it doesn't always work like you say. I bet my school teachers would recognise my handwriting from a mile away, yet even I have trouble reading what I used to write back then. And I wrote all the time. The only time I didn't write was when I was reading (I have this weird taboo about writing on books. I'm fine with drawing stick-figure animations on the corners though; you should see my school editions of the Iliad and the Odyssey, truly epic stick figure swordfights). And just to be clear, I never had any trouble with reading, nor with grammar or syntax. It was just my handwriting that was horrible.
My handwriting was what you'd call cacography, the opposite of calligraphy. It was like a chicken dipped its claws in ink and went digging for worms on the page. Very recognisable, but really not very good handwriting at all. I think it's because I was always in such a hurry to take it all down that I didn't stop to think about reading it back later.
To be honest, computer keyboards saved my writing.
Hilariously, my handwriting was frequently described by teachers as "как курица лапой" which is just about the equivalent of your description.
Despite my terrible handwriting though, I still enjoy writing by hand. I've found I rarely ever end up going back to much of what I wrote down, but the whole process of turning thought into word into writing is very therapeutic and helpful for remembering and processing things.
My turn of phrase wasn't entirely original, I'm Greek and we call handwriting like mine "chicken scrawlings". So basically what I wrote :)
I completely understand this, I used to be unable to write in my books, but forcing myself to start writing in my books was completely worth it. Now it feels natural. Its extremely valuable in non-fiction works to be able to pull open to a chapter and instantly find everything I found noteworthy.
Writing in books also allows for a good notetaking workflow: read a chapter or section while highlighting interest parts and writing symbols/questions/notes when needed. Then re-read the chapter and take notes, focusing on what you highlighted. Move questions and comments to the notes, and perhaps research the answer to those questions if necessary.
Finally I would also suggest writing in books in order to instill a proper relationship with property. Books are tools for conveying knowledge, writing in a book simply continues to fulfill that purpose. They aren't idols that ought to be put on a bookshelf to look at, they ought to be read and referenced. I think being willing to write in books helps create a healthier understanding of ownership: we own property; the property doesn't own us.
Writing fast and nice is impossible, back then and now.
I learned to write nice and slow, it is completely impractical, can't do it for long texts, but it makes me feel better after so many years of only ugly handwriting.
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Was even more surprised when I went to the UK, turned on the TV, and he was on University Challenge.
He was on only connect back in the day
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"It can be hard, especially when you first start," Bousha explained. "A lot of them are not used to reading cursive and interpreting what they see. But after 70 hours a week it becomes like second nature."
There's also plenty of edge cases: letters get wet, they smudge, get torn or folded, and so forth. A postal system that processes 420 million letters a day[1] with a 99% true positive rate on OCR still needs to divert 4.2 million letters for manual review.
This is a common pattern, and why I think AI risk is overstated…unless we suddenly decide to start wholesale writing off the consequences of tail risk.
In other words, AI doesn't have to do anything perfectly to replace a large percentage of the workforce.
I moved to a country without one and it’s a massive headache. Letters may or may not arrive. If they dont arrive they may or may not be sent back to the original sender. I imagine some room in a government building with millions upon millions of undelivered mail.
I couldnt even get important mail from the US government. I ended up using a family member’s address in the US.
And then lose their jobs.
These are not “doctor’s handwriting” issues.
Regardless, all you have to do is tell people, say at the post office, that if they type the address and cut it out and tape it on, the mail will get there faster. Alternatively they could use a label maker to print out the address and then affix it to the envelope.
I bet people still writing address labels by hand probably mostly don't know that there's a speedup for fast machine legibility.
Sure, you might say "the sender should write better", but that's needlessly discriminatory and flies in the face of what the United States Postal Service stands for. Not being able to immediately read the delivery address is not an excuse.
The USPS considers it an absolute failure to do their duty if they fail to deliver mail that was otherwise furnished properly, and I commend their commitment.
For something like this I don't want to base it around the bad apples, because this really is an example of the postal service being exemplary.
How can you type that out and not feel a hint of self-awareness?
TBF the software tools for it were very helpful...plop down exhausted at the computer after 6 hours of church meetings and burn through a bunch of formal-ish handwriting data entry while half-braindead, necktie knot pulled down to the chest, black synthetic socks petting cat down on the floor, and bowl of favorite cereal at the ready. (Mormon alcohol equivalent is basically sugar)
I have friends who set regional records for processing those old forms. I want to say hundreds of thousands of pages or some wild amount like that. There was a lot of interesting geography and plenty of bio-stats to read, so for natural readers it was quite a comfortable hit in its way.
I did get into handwriting analysis later and that was more consistently fascinating on the other hand. There was always an open invite to bring found samples to the next meeting (this was not a Mormon thing, to be clear).
Everyone would then take turns pointing out possibly valid observations, ooh there's a felon's claw, anybody else see that, etc. Then at the end of the meeting they'd ask the submitter to share the general or specific identity of the sample. "That's my uncle so-and-so, the rascal was on a chain gang for 10 straight years" and so on.
But sometimes you would remember seeing the sample somewhere, so you had to brace yourself because it was definitely a serial killer and you'd spend the rest of the week thinking about that sample afterward.
In the society library there were texts about individual letters...like people have authored multiple books about the written letter T, and so on.
For my part I was paid for some analysis on the side and learned the hard way that you have to kind of hold back sometimes. It's nice to know you're accurate but a lot of people just. Don't. Want. To know that others can tell this or that about them. Lol. You can effectively front-run an individual's own self-reconciliation/processing capabilities and this often brings unwanted results.
One of my own specialties was that I could usually get a good idea of someone's MBTI type through their handwriting. I had already finished my certification in Jungian typology at the time. So then, bouncing back to handwriting traits, I could identify a kind of sub-type, and this would give ideas of the various cognitive-function perspectives that were probably relevant to the individual's current stage of personality development.
I never met anyone else in the field who I could really talk to about this, though it was very useful. Sometimes you have problems in life that are less conscious, so you can't Google them, LLMs don't help, etc. As a result, finding someone who knows "people _who think like you_, and how they made it" can be really helpful.
Even took an IQ test based only on my handwriting once, pretty neat experience.
Going back to I guess the 80s, he always had the latest and greatest computer system in his home.
He wasn't super technical, but he knew how to use them for the things he cared about.
One year he hit an issue with a store-bought computer. I forget what the issue was, but he probably spent $5k on the computer, and it had hundreds, if not thousands of his work hours saved on it, and customer support led him down a path that wiped his hard drive.
After that, he would say, "Computers are light light bulbs, you can't trust them after a certain point..."
He complained about the customer support being so bad, so I told him we could just build one from pars if he wanted.
His eyes lit up, "You'd build me a computer?!"
So every 2 years, we would get together and build him a new computer.
He bought all the parts, and we'd build identical computers, one for him one for me... some of my fondest memories.
He got such a kick out of running performance benchmarks. 90-something year-old kid in a candy shop. He had to have the best parts.
From 1996 to 2016 or so, he had probably the most powerful gaming rig in Midland, TX... He had 3x 4k monitors, surround sound, and crazy silly amounts of RAM. Like... 128 GB was the last machine we built, back in 2016.
He'd always donate the "old one" to the church. I remember one year the kid they sent out had some IT knowledge. He was trying to write up a donation receipt, and Grandpa was like "64 gigabytes..." and the kid, thinking it was some old clunker since it was just sitting in an old Costco fruit-box at that point, was like, "Oh, you mean 64 megabytes of memory..." and Grandpa was like, in the most assertive tone an ultra-polite Mormon could muster, "No, sir. I mean gigabytes." This was like 2008 or so, when most high-end computers didn't have more than 8 GB of RAM. And Grandpa was just like, "It's got some old Nvidia GeForce 7950 GX2 Quad-SLI video cards..." And the kid was like, "Wait, how many video cards?" And Grandpa's attitude was like like, "Take that trash away, it's old and busted. Get it of my sight!" Ha.
He may have also liked playing flight simulators just a little. (=
I can imagine his computer ending up in a variety of places depending on the personalities in his local church leadership xD
I learned to carry a PortableApps USB stick and a Puppy Linux USB stick with me every time I went to church meetings, just in case. One night I ended up tucked in a church library alone (under certain circumstances a random dude needs to stay in the building while other meetings happen), found a donated computer (nothing like your grandpa's!) and after digging around for cables for a while, had my Linux desktop up and running, streaming some prosaic public-access TV or something while reading Slashdot.
I can't imagine how that moment would have felt if the computer turned out to be a 64GB RAM monster...I think I seriously would have considered bringing my home computer to swap with it. I remember others being told to do the same, in cases where the waste was even less obvious (and I mean I even once had to turn away a guy who tried to donate a vial of gold he panned in Alaska to the church)...but wow, yeah that's a big deal.
(There were actually so many genealogy-computer shenanigans at the churches...someone could easily write a very interesting book about that)
Yeah, it's insane! I loved how diligent they were! They take scans of every census record, and all the supporting forms that go into the record... then they distribute the forms to at least 2 independent people to extract data from. If there's a conflict, they send the data to a 3rd person... then they check all the entries against one another for accuracy. Retired folks are encouraged to participate, and it's pretty common for them to get "really" into it. 20-hours a week... pretty common amount of time.
They have to pass an eye exam every year to do it. My grandfather was heartbroken when his eyesight got to the point where he couldn't do it any more.
But yeah, the distributed work, with sanity checks, and conflict resolution baked-in, it was all so well organized!
It kind of reminds me of some of the senior couples that were driving church vehicles abroad in mission territory...one of those couples got their car stuck in a narrowing alley (all dented up by literal alley walls, and bits of infrastructure on the walls) within the first week, then within the first month the trunk was held mostly-shut with rope.
It looked like a wreck on wheels, having very recently been new...but by god could that same driver tell a Japanese fairy tale in a way that got kids SO excited. Funny memories.
If you want to test someone's skill in this area, you should always confirm their availability first, then ask them what kind of sample they want, and how the process will work from their end.
You should be willing to put your identity on the line in some way as testing quality collateral.
Otherwise, for one, it can look as if you, new user K69bLrdd5K28vX, may be likely to cut and run if the analysis doesn't turn out the way you thought / suspected / etc. Analysis of any quality takes a lot of time and effort and this kind of outcome is very disappointing.
You should also be willing to explain how you arrived at your personality type, i.e. is it only the reported (tested) type based on a free internet test, or is it "best-fit type" based on a recommended, integrative process designed and tested by a recognized publisher; were the test statistics made available to you for accuracy / reliability / test-retest, etc. and can you share those?
Anyone certified in type should know to emphasize this aspect, or else any testing based on a given type-constant is qualitatively compromised. (I hope you can see why a result that's simply derived from a free internet test with poor or unknown accuracy & reliability would complicate matters)
That's not to say it's not worth a test. A lot of idea-oriented types are interested in the concepts behind it, too. I always found that most INTPs were game, for example. Good luck to you.
They document family trees, and then post-humorously baptize the dead so everyone's kin can get to heaven.
They mean well, and it's coming from a good place, but it's a little weird and it can be off-putting to know that they don't think any other religion's baptisms count so they have to do it over the LDS way. But look, they mean well.
Some background on the controversy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/us/jews-take-issue-with-p...
As you note, many take a rather dim view of the practice (and it is very much not coming from a good place).
Can you elaborate? I know nothing about this, but from the description it seems well-intentioned so I'm curious what isn't?
But basically instead of just "Oh, we're just saying some prayers for your dead granny..." -- which I think everyone would be fine with, it's the Mormons saying, "Oh, we're saying some prayers for your dead granny... because without true Mormon salvation she'd be burning in hell forever."
The Mormons also have "stand-ins" that they baptize in place of the person. Usually kids. So a kid goes up and says, "I'm so-and-so, grandmother of such-and-such..." and then they get dunked in a tub. And it also serves to further indoctrinate the kids... who are re-baptized a bunch of times.
My view... all religions are nutty. Not sure where we draw a line on any of them. But I don't really care what people do in the privacy of their own temple, or what internet archives they want to spend their time transcribing. If it lets them sleep a bit better knowing my dead great grandmother is with her family in Heaven... that's great. Or at least, it's no going to hurt her any. (=
Good catch. This is how we'll be able to spot AI in the future. It won't make nearly as many dumb typos as humans do. (=
> Church policy is that people baptize only their own dead relatives
but indeed, some adherents apparently do proxy-baptise unrelated people.
First, Latter-Day Saints believe that one needs to be baptized in order to enter into heaven (based on the teachings of Jesus Christ recorded in John 3:16). For this to come about for those who never had the opportunity to be baptized (let alone the countless individuals who never even heard of Jesus Christ while alive), they perform proxy baptisms on behalf of dead individuals. Obviously they don't baptize corpses; instead, they have a member of their faith baptized again, on behalf of an individual who has passed away.
To find out who of their family tree needs to be baptized, Latter-Day Saints perform tons of genealogical work, which includes indexing handwritten censuses into digital form. Hence the census sheets.
>What Killed Penmanship? We’re all texters and typers now, so if you can’t read that grocery list you scrawled, you are not alone.
The examples in the article are crystal clear to me, no?
I hit "View all photos" and got this
- Mrs. Grace Dawn, 2110 Minsp (?) Church Drive West, Dr. Koven, Ken
- Nevada National Bank, W. Sahara Avenue, Las Vegas, Nevada, 89102
- M A Hill, Post Office Box 41, Whitesville, GA
- Knight and Associates, Park and Main, Butte, Montana (this one I guessed based on likely words)
- Twyla Sharp, HWC Box 7, Wyola, MI, 59089
These felt easy. I see some people's cursive that just looks like a ton of loops, with tiny squiggles differentiating the loops into actual letters.
I'm sure it's fast for them, but it's not accessible. And as a lefty, cursive doesn't flow well for me anyway, so I only print.
That would be Wyola, MT. 5xxxx is not in Michigan (and neither is Wyola).
The use of alphanumerics is much more common everywhere in UK systems than many foreign systems and I think they're almost always a benefit. Postcodes, National Insurance numbers (~ tax IDs), Map references, Car number plates ... In many of these systems the initial introduction of alphanumerics substantially predates automation, so perhaps other countries figured numbers would be easier for machines, but this was a very fleeting benefit.
You do need to eliminate confusables though, having 1I1Il and I1l1I both be valid and signify different things is clearly an enormous problem.
(Was the case on another article I read about this system.)
This is the last such facility, after all the others have been closed, so needing more people is not incompatible with the fact that they've scaled down overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stamp_Soviet_Union_1977_C...
Add: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_postal_codes.svg
Can you explain how this is an issue at all and a point of concern for something like USPS?
Except no, specifically because 9 has a slanted ending compared to 4. If some idiot writes the symbols whatever they wants instead of the reference then it's the the problem of the idiot.
And any way, most people would write it properly which means more mail would be processed efficiently and require less human intervention.
My plan when I finally purchase a self-driving car is to get 800 people from Utah to help me navigate for that last 2%
What a cancer website.
Vile, and badly done. Hmph.