E.P.A. Is Said to Propose Rules Meant to Drive Up Electric Car Sales Tenfold
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They are not going to get the adoption they want because they are attacking from the wrong angle. Their new regulations intend to drive down the number of ICE cars being made and drive up EV production, but the issue with EV's is all in their price, and this regulation does nothing to address that. Most folks (especially in this economy), cannot afford to spend $50k+ on a new EV, this is why used car sales have been so steadily high, folks just can't afford these new expensive cars.
I see this regulation backfiring, all it's going to do is keep older cars on the road longer.
How do I go on a road trip from Miami to Seattle without very carefully planning around public charging stations and spending lots of extra time sitting around waiting on my EV to charge?
With an ICE vehicle, refueling is practically an after thought.
It’s even worse if you’re planning on hauling a trailer with an electric pickup truck.
We are definitely putting the cart before the horse on this.
Long haul trips are the tricky bit, but that’s surely not that hard to solve.
It’s also only charging at the rate of a standard wall socket, so I’m not sure the grid cares that much.
I’m sure that I could save money by tailoring usage better, but ‘cheaper overnight’ is about all I know about it.
Today I drive a long-range EV, and level 3 chargers are pretty amazing. I can get a few hundred miles' charge in ~20 minutes. That's about the amount of time that I like to get out of my car to stay alert anyway. Granted, level 3 chargers are still pretty rare, but in Canada where I live now, Petro-Canada has seen the writing on the wall, and they're installing level 3 chargers at their gas stations.
With a 9-year horizon on this policy, there is lots of time and motivation to build out charging infrastructure. The lack of charging infrastructure today is not a good reason to be stuck on oil for the indefinite future.
EVs aren't the best road trip vehicle but that's ok, I don't road trip every day. They absolutely are the best 99% daily vehicle though if you have home charging.
Nothing is the best at everything, the EV compromise is pretty darn acceptable though. (that said, PHEVs with 80 miles of range would be even better)
You could rent a gas-powered car for the trip. But how often are you ever going to do that? Most of us make a trip like that rarely, or never; I have driven coast-to-coast exactly once in my life.
> We are definitely putting the cart before the horse on this.
Greater demand will provide an economic incentive to invest in greater supply.
You hear the same nonsense when it comes to riding bikes. There’s always some reason someone can’t ride bikes / drive an EV / walk more / whatever, and that means we shouldn’t make any changes ever. So dumb.
How often do people do that? For this kind of trip, it's honestly better to rent a car anyway. You don't need to drive back, which is nice. Also, such a drive is generally pretty hard on your car. It's better to do it in someone else's car.
Over the past few years, I've noticed that many superchargers now have competing CCS networks nearby.
Also, tesla has been opening up superchargers, and the other day I used one that can charge either tesla or CCS vehicles (via the "Magic Dock").
By the time this legislation starts getting traction, it will be possible and practical.
For more info see: How Norway killed the petrol car. https://youtu.be/OJtzuZIO-88
I would never pay that much but that is it.
This is a time-tested EPA approach which increases cost and complexity due to enhanced engine management, exhaust recirculation and exhaust treatments, and partial hybrids.
The computers run heavy equipment diesels and you need a shop computer to successfully swap fuel injectors. Don't think about trying to swap exhaust treatment components without being the dealer, because serial numbers are tracked and enforced with huge core charges. Particulates are down dramatically.
Gassers are not diesels and gassers are already burning quite clean. From a societal health standpoint, is this where resources are best applied?
Unless cars weigh 500kg or we limit ourselves to electric bikes, we cannot make enough electric cars, and there is not enough carbon free power either to charge all those cars.
The world would require so much nuclear energy, and it's not possible to have both wind turbines, solar panels and electric cars and electric storage when there is no sun or wind.
I'm tired of techno-optimists who cannot understand we need degrowth BEFORE we can use new technologies if we really want to lower carbon emissions.
There is so much greenwashing it's just not funny anymore. Why can't we understand that all those companies are trying to save themselves instead of delivering realistic, proven ways to reduce co2 emissions?
IRL, that means you can only successfully sell battery propelled moving machines if you have people buying them in excess, given enough people have been properly conditioned to consume them. Sometimes pre-existing conditioning leads to market breakthrough, some other times the need for profit call for conditioning fabrication, so-called consent manufacturing. Leading causes of eco-anxiety, which partly drives the market for such machines, comes from both sides.
Wanna break the cycle? Be absolutely critical of each and every choice you make, considering that you are already fully conditioned on many aspects, and that there are no small choices in life.
In a single hour, the amount of power from the sun that strikes the Earth is more than the entire world consumes in an year.
The physics are there, if cars go electric and it drives the price of electricity up, it makes it much more cost-effective to build new solar panels (because the profit you make on them is high). Basically this is the magic of supply and demand -- when there isn't a monopoly it practically forces society toward a direction good for all. If we taxed externalities we'd already be heading there.
Then there's the fact that Russia is a top 3 worldwide producer of half of that list.
epa rules get distorted and piss people off, mega trucks are the result currently.
We need the epa for clean water and air.
At least for the US market, the current price gluttony on new and used trucks has me wondering if they'll try to push things as far as they absolutely can, with knowledge that they can't as easily break the consumer trend due to related government interventions.
Why should I waste my time explaining this? It's not worth it.
All I will say is electric vehicles won't work as a primary means of transportation.