Probably more so because even at therapeutic doses it gives a mild high and is addictive.
For me getting off a regular dosage just caused a bit of extra sleepiness for a week or two. I drank like 2 redbulls a day for a bit. There is a bit of addictiveness because its nice to be able to function like normal people day to day -- like paying bills on time because your brain has enough dopamine for a boring chore.
Its nothing nearly as addictive or habit forming as SSRI's that are given out like candy.
SSRIs aren't considered addictive at all.
As I mentioned to someone else, please take an earnest visit to https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ and consider the idea that a lot of our ADHD peers struggle with stimulants.
>Perhaps for non-ADHD people.
I've been diagnosed with ADHD twice (childhood and adult) and I can say from experience that speed gets everyone high. That's a myth. Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, it's a dangerous path).
Knowing the potential risks of stimulants is good, but unduly scaring people or over-restricting access for the majority who use them properly is not helpful.
Please re-read how I presented that link carefully. I've encountered several people here claiming that stimulants don't get you high and that they aren't addictive. The point of sending them to that sub was to demonstrate that others have a different experience. I'm not making a larger argument here that they are harmful for everyone, just that they aren't magic drugs and they might have glowy feelings about them for a less comfortable reason than they think.
People downvoting me for stating simple known facts about these drugs is troubling...
Please be more careful and honest in your assertions. My point is that there are people who struggle with abusing prescription stimulants. I did not make a comparison or suggest a link between harder stims like your strawman suggests.
A 200lb person can get a decent high from as little as 30mg of adderall.
Just because stimulants _can_ get you high and be addictive doesn't mean they will when taken appropriately. The only time I felt any kind of high from my ADHD medicine was the first day I took it. And I quite easily skip taking it on weekends, with the only side effect being that I browse the internet all day and struggle to do anything productive.
To be honest, I don't actually like being on stimulants. Methylphenidate made me feel like I was constantly in low-grade fight-or-flight mode and dextroamphetamine (which I'm on now) gives me mild emotional blunting. Plus both cause slight dry mouth, appetite suppression that I have to forcibly eat through, and insomnia if I take them too late in the day. Not to mention the fundamental hassle of taking pills every day within narrow bands of time, something I regularly procrastinate and/or forget. (Also, I have tried taking higher/double doses as you suggested earlier when I was figuring out my optimal dose. They just made me feel jittery and on edge - not exactly pleasant.)
If I had no ambitions or responsibilities, I would be more than happy to throw my medicine away and sit around on my computer all day every day. Unfortunately, I do have ambitions and responsibilities and medication helps mitigate my crippling, career-threatening inability to get things done. So I'll take that tradeoff.
I'm definitely calling out inappropriate usage, so I don't disagree.
>Plus both cause slight dry mouth, appetite suppression that I have to forcibly eat through, and insomnia if I take them too late in the day. Not to mention the fundamental hassle of taking pills every day within narrow bands of time, something I regularly procrastinate and/or forget.
Yeah the side-effects are not great. Throw in teeth-grinding, compulsive behaviors, irritability, aggressiveness, etc.
>If I had no ambitions or responsibilities, I would be more than happy to throw my medicine away and sit around on my computer all day every day. Unfortunately, I do have ambitions and responsibilities and medication helps mitigate my crippling, career-threatening inability to get things done. So I'll take that tradeoff.
I'm happy to hear about your self control. I wish I were effective as a person naturally, I'm sure you can relate. Unfortunately they don't work for me as well as they once did.
Actually, my self control is really quite bad. I'm terrible at doing difficult or unpleasant things and am very prone to low-effort, self-destructive hedonism. But as a result I have a very intense fear of addiction because I know I would struggle to pull myself back from it - I've never drank alcohol or done any recreational drugs for that exact reason. I was very hesitant about pursuing potentially lifelong medication, I requested the smallest possible starting dose from my doctor, and I don't intend to ever increase it beyond what I currently take (10mg/day).
On a philosophical level I still don't _like_ that I'm taking medication, but the benefits are significant enough that I tolerate it. And perhaps ironically, ADHD medicine actually helps me push past my lazy hedonism and do things that are necessary but dull.
(I would note that it doesn't make me _want_ to do boring things, nor do I think it's supposed to if dosed correctly. Even on medication, I'd still rather play video games than do work. But it at least makes it possible for me to sit down and work anyway. Whereas before, every day was an exercise in staring futilely at the screen while begging my brain to do literally anything.)
> I wish I were effective as a person naturally, I'm sure you can relate.
Very much so. I really wish my productivity wasn't dependent on medicine that
a) I need to remember to even take
b) Has annoying negative side effects
c) Is a controlled substance, with all the hassle that brings
But unfortunately, I guess that wasn't meant to be.
And thats BS. It's completely physically and psychologically addictive for many people with severe withdrawal symptoms. If they're not considered addictive then thats an issue with the DSM and inconsistent metrics used by medical fields.
> As I mentioned to someone else, please take an earnest visit to https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ and consider the idea that a lot of our ADHD peers struggle with stimulants.
I'm sure many do struggle with abusing stimulants. They're not silver bullets, and do need appropriate care and monitoring by a medical professional. Especially when starting a new treatment.
However, I find that link is also full of things like "Bob was addicted to Adderal, and took 30mg everyday for 8 years". To me thats sounds like a successful therapeutic treatment without other supporting info like "Bob would use his monthly supply in a week". Few would consider "Bob took a normal dosage of an SSRI for 8 years" as an addiction.
> That's a myth. Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, it's a dangerous path).
To clarify, I'm sure some do get a mild high. Many don't. Maybe I'd get one on a higher dose, but I've got no desire to do so as I get much more enjoyment over just feeling awake and being able to focus. Though I definitely get a "mild high" if I accidentally take an extra dose of my SSRI.
>However, I find that link is also full of things like "Bob was addicted to Adderal, and took 30mg everyday for 8 years". To me thats sounds like a successful therapeutic treatment without other supporting info like "Bob would use his monthly supply in a week". Few would consider "Bob took a normal dosage of an SSRI for 8 years" as an addiction.
Of course there are a mix of experiences described there. If someone decides they have a problem with a drug and are struggling to stop, can we decide if it's not true? I doubt it. I don't think people are LARPing as stim addicts, but also I'm sure there are some people who struggle more than others.
>To clarify, I'm sure some do get a mild high. Many don't. Maybe I'd get one on a higher dose, but I've got no desire to do so as I get much more enjoyment over just feeling awake and being able to focus. Though I definitely get a "mild high" if I accidentally take an extra dose of my SSRI.
I'm glad you are able to keep them in a healthy place in your life. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I have ADHD[1].
Taking 2x dosage of Adderall[3] makes me.. calmer and sleepy, and that's about it. As does too much coffee[2].
So much for "myth".
[1]https://romankogan.net/adhd
Yes, I am experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact the people with the condition the drug is prescribed for differently than those without it.
Is is it so hard to make this leap?
These drugs were not designed and created for ADHD. They were discovered separately. They alleviate some of the symptoms of ADHD, but it doesn't suddenly make you act and think like a neurotypical. You act and think like an ADHD person on speed. Also, a lot of people who take them have very positive and unrealistic beliefs about them because they are high on the drug.