It's interesting to contrast China's approach of not allowing business to operate within the plane of power in which the government does, vs. the United States, which has companies whose power is certainly on the level of many state governments.
Corporate execs regularly get jobs in government, and often wind up "regulating" the very industries/companies they came from. It's also an open secret in Washington that when politicians retire they often get cushy, high paying jobs in the very companies they regulated or provided government contracts to.
It's a revolving door between corporations and governments, and it's misleading to think the one is truly separate from the other.
A better model is to look at the corporate-government interaction as competing elites vying with one another for money, power, and influence, and just as often collaborating with each other on shared interests.
the other way of seeing that is that if you want to regulate a domain you're going to want to have people who know the domain
> when politicians retire they often get cushy jobs, high paying jobs in the very companies they regulated or provided government contracts to
again, it makes sense for the company to buy the services (and the address book) of someone who knows everyone in the space.
of course all this creates a big incentive to cosy up to those companies, but it's not as black as you are suggesting
Sure, but not people who have a vested interest in minimizing regulation.
The origin, abilities, aims, and accountability are different.
> elementary and high school are the same its just different people moving between them competing for status.
This doesn't seem persuasive to me. Describing what some people do while in an organization doesn't define the organization.
Why not include universities in that list?
Governments exists to manage violence and through law. Corporations exist because they outcompete individuals for subsistence.
Recall the FB head of security that was walked out of the building at MPW for sexually harrasing/inappropriate actions
Or the other head of security who came from NSA, then left FB to go back to NSA, to leave NSA and go back to FB?
Or the time that FB built a 'government liason office' in DC?
Or the time that zuck employed ex SS agents as his personal guard?
Or the time CNN admitted to having CIA handlers on the editing staff (remember the quashing of the epstein story by media, because the CIA told them to)
Or the time when Maxwell, who was media heiress' daughter of double mossad agent was convicted of trafficking kids to REDACTED
Or the time it was reported that the FBI and twitter had an open channel on what, who, when to censor information?
Or when Cisco was required by the NSA to incorporate backdoors in all routing devices for them...
Or when the CIA intercepted CISCO devices en-route to [FOREIGN ADVERSARY] to install physical back-doors into said routers? (mid 1990s)
Or when AT&T was required to install carnivore in SF IDF on Folsom (same building that served the nascient startup 'Twitter')
Or when NSA required Intel to install certain security instruction sets for monitoring code/exploits
Or when it was announced that Twitter had a 'firehose' of all tweets to the library of congress (NSA) for sentiment mining...
Or the time when the most public pedo, aside from BBC's Saville, MITs big donor Epstein was called out for having Marvin FN Minsky in his clientelle - and the fact that a podcast revealed the big BDSM culture of MIT. (I cant find this video for some reason)
Or the time that a c-founder of reddit was suicided for allegedly stealing reasearch papers, but really was going to reveal the ties to pedo elite via the grift at MIT...
Or the time that every session on netflix/prime is a PR campaign for how bad-ass and rogue an ex CIA/NSA/COP can be when he is pursuing the current narrative and constant movies about clandestine operations is made to emotionally drive you to sympathizing with our good looking, adept, secret agents who are saving society from raving lunatics... literally 50% of movies/shows on these platforms are pushing the PR narrative of just how bad-ass a single CIA/NSA/COP agent can be.... else, watch many of the shows that are literally called lucifer... so many weird evil shows....
Or the time when CERBERUS investment group bought MAE-WEST (1st street san jose) and forced them to install carnivor to monitor internet traffic
Or when they sold it after install
Or when they bought PAIX (the Palo Alto Internet Exchange) which convenietly routed all network traffic through that facility AND also had international fiber terminated there AND AND also was the primary IX on the west coast (not MAE-WEST) as it had international and secret lab traffic - so they monitored all out of Stanford...
There are so many data points, and if like data, then pay attention to the points that matter, such as the above.
Yeah - corp-gov is so intertwined in the US its nuts. Actually insane - as its a third-rail to even discuss in media.
https://www.wired.com/2006/04/whistle-blower-outs-nsa-spy-ro...
It’s not clear to me that those aren’t just as self serving as say a big company in the us operating freely and so on.
The government needs to recover from COVID.
Perspective:
As leader the in control, I see there's a company that has the largest payment network in the country. Well that can't happen. I need a slice of it. So let's "regulate" it.
why do you need a slice of it?
> why do you need a slice of it?
Greed!
The People’s Liberation Army, People’s Armed Police and Militia answer to the Central Military Commission which is subordinate directly to the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party.
It isn’t like the United States or Europe or even Japan or Korea. Your basic assumptions vis a vis how we work and therefore how they must work will never work when trying to serve as a proper lens for interpreting the PRC because the PRC is itself an institution subordinate to a Party which considers all aspects of Chinese society both public and private subordinate to the Party including State, Religion and the activities families and businesses of their subjects which in their eyes doesn’t stop at the border if you are of Chinese descent.
So if a business like Alibaba or a businessman like Jack Ma is challenging anything about that framework, or the laws of the PRC and policies of the CCP, they can’t afford to let that stand because the most important thing to them is maintaining their internal cohesion and power. Everything else is secondary or tertiary.
"The arc of communism is long and it leans towards oppressing the fuck out of people. It’s a tendency of all governmental systems. Communism rests most of its power in the hands of government without a moneyed elite to oppose them, so it tends to move to authoritarianism faster and with less resistance."
My understanding is that economics and governance are largely - though not completely - orthogonal.
Since it breaks down by divisions, so for example taobao would still be the top e-commerce competitor. Not to mention, despite being huge, I can't say Alibaba has monopoly in any of their services.
In the US, if the FTC decides to block your merger or the government wants to split up a company, the company can bring the government to court, on a equal footing and argue it's case.
That's not happening in China.
I'm not accusing you of making those silly arguments, but those silly arguments are a frequent end of this line of reasoning, so they are worth watching out for.
Contrast that with
> China’s parliament has about 100 billionaires
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/02/chinas-parliament-has-about-...
Like all communist nations, there is a ruling elite.
The US ensures its continuation and longevity via the small group of Elite families and new wealth that is continuously being generated. They control the media and so many more, which keeps populism at bay. If democratic forces were left on their own, it would have reached the state of decline that happened to many e.g. social democratic states.
China guards the power so that it stays with the Party, and imprisons Wealth when it becomes threatening