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This is evil. It's like that administration in that one sci-fi dystopia that tried to force everyone to be equal by making everyone wear masks and making the stronger wear weighted clothing and the smarter wear thought-jamming devices.

Increase standards, but also streamline processes. Leverage ChatGPT so students learn by repetition in innovative games with cool interfaces, virtual and 3d and sound/motion interfaces, with lots of gym time. No more identity bullshit besides what is basic to become a good person like it was common to be taught throughout the world like 10 years ago. You know what, fuck this. Pause everything. REWIND.

HARD FUCKING FORK on this reality. This is bullshit, I'm rewinding the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpeEdMmmQ0

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> Leverage ChatGPT so students learn by repetition in innovative games with cool interfaces

You mean shitty, derivative games that haven't been tested at all?

There's no good reason to use ChatGPT in education like that, and doing so is pure technology fetishism.

I think you might not have used chatgpt much. In the last year it's gotten much much better, it can do lots of useful things and with 1/1000th the effort of alternative ways of performing the same task. Assuming they can continue to improve it at even a fraction of it's current rate of improvement, even a small fraction, technology like this will be in everything we do and constantly in our ear. It's astoundingly useful and you are wrong here.

well said. chatgpt is awesome. it will free everyone.

Related news from earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35364985

More family time! And higher quality of education outcomes for very cheap! It's truly the iphone moment for AI including the increasingly cheaper pipelines to train it. I remember how just a couple months ago it was still costing $50k+ to realistically get something resembling GPT-3+ performance. Now that's way less.

Wohoo!!! Innovation abounds!!! <3

The internet is awesome. it will free everyone.

Didn't work out.

Technology can't correct human flaws.

It's always the same error to think it will work, but in the end it's just a reason to reduce funds for education.

>> Leverage ChatGPT so students learn by repetition in innovative games with cool interfaces

> It's astoundingly useful and you are wrong here.

It may be useful, but I'm not wrong here.

Software engineers and the like are too-frequently technology fetishists that are like the proverbial guy who has a hammer and thinks everything is a nail.

Even if "innovative games with cool interfaces" is the right way to educate kids, which is very unlikely to be true, those games aren't going to be spat out by ChatGPT.

And if they can be spat out by ChatGPT, why even bother educating most of those kids at all?

education is a lot more than the pipeline for getting skills built up.

ChatGPT is a massive pipe that will allow for increase in throughput of information into curious brains for almost no cost. With increasingly more valuable answers over time. And it can already quiz you on math and teach you math.

It's amazing. I love it.

> ChatGPT is a massive pipe that will allow for increase in throughput of information into curious brains for almost no cost. With increasingly more valuable answers over time. And it can already quiz you on math and teach you math.

> It's amazing. I love it.

It's pretty clear you're a true believer, who takes the marketing fantasy at face value.

But it's still a fantasy. They said the same thing about the web in 1995.

The web succeeded in its initial mission and is an amazing innovation. I love the Internet. ChatGPT is a massive innovation. Check again in a year lol.

The people thought the web would do what you now think ChatGPT will do.

Now the web is a big source of misinformation, spam and ads.

ChatGPT is new and that's why it's results are impressive at the moment but people are already exploiting it's flaws.

What a year and ads and spam will lower it's usefulness.

ChatGPT is a massive pipe... of bullshit.

Unless your goal is to turn humans into mindless drones which are easily persuaded and uncritical, it's possibly the worst thing to learn from.

Incorrect assesment. That's what people said about Wikipedia when I was in elementary school. The internet and Wikipedia are amazing. ChatGPT is amazing if you use it properly - if you prompt in ways that exercise understanding of the math itself, it boosts knowledge of math. I filled in gaps in my comp sci math fundamentals lazily over a weekend just in case. It's an amazing tool for learning measurable skills and improving in measurable skills, but admittedly only in limited workflows still. I love ChatGPT so far for my workflow.

It's amazing for learning. ChatGPT is information learning superpowers. Give me more power please. More power please.

Those pipes already exist without the risk of errors and other strange stuff ChatGPT produces.

Sites like

https://www.khanacademy.org/

are way better than the shiny new toy ChatGPT. ChatGPT will confidently tell you nonsense if it's given the wrong prompt and you have no chance to know in advance.

> Software engineers and the like are too-frequently technology fetishists that are like the proverbial guy who has a hammer and thinks everything is a nail.

Irrelevant even if true.

> Even if "innovative games with cool interfaces" is the right way to educate kids, which is very unlikely to be true,

Presumably baseless personal opinion offered without even attempting to provide support.

> those games aren't going to be spat out by ChatGPT.

This is just easily demonstrated to be false already.

> And if they can be spat out by ChatGPT, why even bother educating most of those kids at all?

Dramatic Irony

Students need to learn before being given a tool like that. You have to teach kids math before giving them a calculator. Otherwise, all they know is how to ask for information.

Most people learn by doing stuff with their hands, not by reading a paragraph.

You want to increase standards and make all dependent on a new and not battle tested service of one company?

This is still the same dystopia and still tries to cover up the underlying problem.

You need teachers, lots of of them and well payed.

The story you are referring to is Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut.

My friend, the only thing I can say to that is:

Fuck that shit.

We're going back to 2011, I have unfinished business back there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg00YEETFzg

Everyone back to 2011 hardcore startup mindset with all the tech conferences w/ free food and great shows and demos, but this time code is still king, none of this talking only bullshit

same at every level of compensation in any kind of org. time to earn your keep or be replaced by chatgpt since that'll be the tyranny you fall under if you wanna front tyranny yourself like in Harrison Bergeron like my friend and I are familiar with, you see.

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