Second:
(1) any change to the contract has to be approved by the union. That includes raises and the like, yes. (2) that can literally be an email from Starbucks to the union's lawyer saying "we're making these changes" and an email back from the union lawyer saying "cool, sounds good". (3) union lawyers work for the union members. They almost never have a reason to reject a purely positive change, and turn-around for simple positive changes can be 24 hours easily (4) if the union wants more, they'll still accept the positive change and then separately negotiate an even larger change.
If there's an active strike negotiation going on, the company may not want to give an intermediate positive change because it weakens their bargaining power.
If the change is a mix of positive and negative, things may go differently.
Do you have anything to back this up? It appears to just be your opinion presented as fact. While I’d love to take your word on your opinion presented as a fact; I would prefer to see some data or documentation to back it up. Thanks!
It seems to me that Starbucks is pulling a “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!” here.
On one hand I can see why they’d do that, on the other hand they still need to operate within federal employment law and it sounds like the NLRB says they aren’t. Presumably they can challenge that in court if they disagree?
On the other hand, the entire job of a union busting consulting firm is to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt about unions. The claim that unions would take actions, or fail to take actions, to make it less likely for their members to receive a pay raise, is the kind of claim that a union busting consulting firm would likely make. This is Public Relations 101.
Is the claim defendable, probably not, but the NLRB just found that Starbucks is trying to discourage stores from unionizing (which sounds like something they would do...) So I'm much more inclined to believe they're being unhelpful in union negotiations than a newly minted union is.
The union does not appear to be new at least to me. It seems like the StarBucks union is apart of a larger organization of unions.
So this isn’t a _new_ union or a union _moving fast and breaking things_ it’s a conglomerate of other much veteran unions.
> Starbucks Workers United is a national collective of Starbucks Partners who help organize workplaces alongside Workers United Upstate, a union with members across many industries, including the coffee industry.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/12/19/starbucks-union-...
Less than 2 years from your own article.
That counts as newly minted. Also how many of those locations have a contract at this point? That's the bigger and more relevant piece of this. The fact that other unions are helping them out, doesn't mean that those other unions have negotiated with Starbucks. That's it's own thing that makes every union negotiation different.
Nope, you’re just pro union so you don’t see it as anything but black and white.
Nope, you're just anti union so you don't see nuance against your worldview, you just trust what corporations tell you.
Wow, you're sooo edgy.
In other news wolf says he doesn't prey on sheep.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2023/03/29/1166277326/starbucks-bernie-s...
This isn't obviously a purely positive change. Maybe some employees would prefer a current cash-only tip policy (maybe they think the tips are larger in cash; maybe less than 100% of those cash tips find their way onto income tax forms; maybe their paychecks are garnished or subject to a income sharing/alimony/child support arrangement while folding cash isn't; maybe they like getting the tip immediately and using it to buy lunch or gas that day rather than getting it later via payroll).
These are things that a union representing the employees must be consulted on and the story paints this as a purely positive change, but there are times in my life where I'd rather have gotten $10 in cash before lunch than $12 two weeks later in my paycheck.
Also you didn't take tips home directly after the shift you'd get it later as they usually shared tips across shifts so closing the store or working any other slow shift wouldn't hurt financially.
I don’t understand why people expect labor to be able to play hardball while also trying to benefit from a cooperative relationship with the adversarial partner.
A union meanwhile has a strong incentive to keep the company viable, otherwise they have a lot of out of work members
Look we know why unions got started and the human condition hasn't changed. There are people out there who would reintroduce child labour if they could get away with it. Guess who makes sure that they can't?
So...the question now becomes: How do you feel about illegal wildcat strikes? Would you support abolishment of the NLRB? Would you support reversal of the Taft Hartley act? Which side are you actually on?
> I don’t understand why people expect labor to be able to play hardball while also trying to benefit from a cooperative relationship with the adversarial partner.
I don't understand why people think it's not an adversarial relationship without a union. The workers are trying to get the most value for their labor, the company wants to get the most labor for its money. The difference is without a union the company has more power than you do.
Outside of the smallest businesses, most individual workers are disposable as far as the company is concerned. Their duties will be picked up by other employees and there's no rush to replace them. The company won't be substantially harmed by losing one worker, for the most part. There are of course exceptions, generally in small organizations or specialized skillsets, where individuals can be extremely hard to replace, but those cases are not the norm.
On the flip side most workers who lose their job have an immediate problem. Almost 2/3 of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. If they lose their job they have at most a few weeks before they're missing payments. No longer having a job with no immediate prospect to replace it poses an imminent threat to the stability of their life.
This gives employers a massive amount of leverage to push for the absolute minimum they can get away with before employees start saying "I'd rather starve", while employees have little to push back with.
A union attempts to balance the scales by turning the workforce in to a combined threat. No longer is the company negotiating against an individual, it's one or more entire classes of workers that they stand to lose and have to replace if they don't come to an agreement.
No, it can’t. If it requires a contract amendment, it has to be ratified by the membership, not “union lawyers” (who probably wouldn’t be in the direct chain of contact; contract changes would usually go through the unions bargaining staff, who might consult with lawyers, as the main contact.)
This is a lie and is peddled by pro union lawyers and activists. It goes both ways. Anyone who’s worked for a union or with one knows that they most certainly make negotiating directly harder. This is one of the main points of a union.
Now, I'm not a lawyer, labor or otherwise, so I'm not sure how the law works when you provide benefits to non-union shops but not to union shops, but that's what the NLRB is for.
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/...
A google search for "starbucks site:NLRB.gov" gives a ton of results and none of the first 10 were obviously related to this complaint. If anyone can find a link it would be helpful.
You might also be interested in reading about why the NLRB was formed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Labor_Relations_Board
Basically we have a lot of rules about the relationship between unions and companies because when we didn't do that there was a lot of violence.
That kind of violence...
They didn’t keep tips, they withheld the convenience from customers. Shitty, but not exactly theft.
Sure, they're only withholding the convenience from the customers, but how much real impact does this have on the tips given? I know I've personally had to forego giving tips before due to lack of cash.
Starbucks is not really set up to have the kind of slimy, lawful evil middle management that can be really good at union busting. Guile and misanthropy aren't exactly hallmarks of Starbucks staff. The stuff they're doing now is really obviously going to get them into trouble. This is not exactly subtle:
“At my store, it did have a negative impact — we had our election finalized right as they rolled out these new benefits,” says Alisha Humphrey, a Starbucks union leader in Oklahoma City. So as happy as we were that people won, we were told that since we won our election, we were not getting credit card tipping or the raises. Our manager met with everyone and told us that if we transferred to another store, you would make $1.50 more and credit card tipping. And some did transfer.”
They said it was a safety issue.
Then it was pointed out that they'd only removed them at the stores where they were unionized or were in the process of doing it, and they had very little explanation for why the mats were safe in non-union stores.
Strictly speaking, a century's worth of American labor law also matter. Since we're listing things that the average hn user is unfamiliar with.
the same for raises, etc. The contract should have all of that spelled out. If not then the union failed at the their job.
That's a violation of federal labor law.