Smart urinals stuck on boot at a gas station in Germany
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I had a chance to visit Google's Mountain View office a few years ago, where they had these modern toilets that were supposed to "wipe your ass for you" by spraying water at your asshole or something similar. Never got to even try that feature as I took a pretty properly sized dump and jammed the system somehow.
Unfortunately, there was no plunger at hand to unclog it, neither was there a flush button as everything was automatic. I spent 10 minutes trying fix the situtation, but had to run into a meeting eventually, so I left the big pile of shit for the next person to handle.
Next day, I tried again using a different box in the toilet. Unrelated: the toilet walls and door had like 70cm of space underneath where you could almost see the junk hanging from the person sitting next to you. Very unpleasant. Anyways, the goddamn toilet did not work again. This time I had no meeting and eventually I was able to flush the shit down, but it took like 15 minutes.
I wonder if they still have those toilets, but this was possibly one of the worst toilet-going experiences in my life. I felt like I was unwillingly participating in some sick experiment set up by some psycho.
That being said, if the toilet component sucked then the whole experience will suck. I just wouldn't discount ass-spraying toilets from one bad toilet.
EDIT: Almost all the toilets with bidets I've used have also had manual flush options, although the UX is hit or miss.
But then I heard the line (from a Frenchman) "If you got shit on your fingers would you wipe it off with a piece of tissue, or wash your hands? Why would the answer be different for your bum?".
On reflection, why aren't they everywhere?
South Park recently had a very funny (and tame for them) episode about toilet paper and bidets. Obviously it’s fictionalized but a combination of marketing and non historical usage keeps people in the US from widely adopting something that would be hugely beneficial to them.
s26e03. "Randy Discovers Japanese Toilets":
I guess it's a good way to ensure that you are awake in the morning.
They are very common in the Middle East.
Personally I wouldn't do without one and would install one in any new home I moved to.
For one thing, I don’t eat with my bum. I’m still in favor of bidets.
Yes a water pressurized bidet spraying your crack is quite a bit better... not as good as actual soap but still. You can apply this to any body part and ask yourself if you think wiping that part with some shaved off tree is better than water???
- you need an electric plug, and builders tend to avoid putting them in the toilets or aren't asked for in the first place.
- once you have them, the water clogs the thin pipes with calcium apparently. So every one/two year we'd have to replace the tubes.
I don't know about you but I don't tend to touch my keyboard or food with my anus like I do with my hands
I am skeptical, whether spraying water at the butt is a good idea. What about the additional aerosols that creates? And if the spraying does not have the water pressure, you might end up with a dirty and wet butt, instead of only a dirty butt.
I also dislike toilets, which when you dump, allow water to splash up at you. I don't think that water is necessarily very clean.
Why are american toilets like that? As a european, it seems barbarian.
Also USians are used to it, so we don't complain :)
But the reason for the shorter partitions isn't generally cost.
1. Security: you can see if someone is still in the toilet when it is closing time, etc.
2. Cleaning: it is easier to clean with a gap, more clearance for the mop.
What I really wish we would get is stall door locks that indicate if locked or not. A properly hung stall door should naturally move to the open position but most are not properly hung. So you have a row of stalls all with the door closed and no idea if they are occupied or not. Which means you are either pushing on the doors, looking under or through the gap. It's Barbaric.
ADA Standards: 604.8.1.4 Toe Clearance
Those reasons are valid, but I'm not sure they beat "my vendor has a kit for this."
Like, even if you wanted a partition that went to the floor, a lot of vendors don't even have them. That's why I say precedent is a big reason why.
Wait......that's not standard in the US????? I've never seen a bathroom with a door lock that doesn't show its state on the outside, even if it's a simple mechanical latch.
The "moving part" doesn't go through the door.
Fancier bathrooms have deadbolts or equivalent that show the occupancy on the outside; amusingly enough so do the portapotties.
This is so simple (turning the lock reveals a patch of green or red) and useful that I can't really believe this is uncommon anywhere.
Go insane when a nipple shows on TV, but fine to almost see each other's parts in public.
I'll never go back to pure tp after having a bidet.
If you spread your cheeks apart before sitting down, there is a lot less surface you have to wipe.
If you lean forward when you go (rest elbows on thighs), you're in the anatomically correct position (the Squatty Potty's selling point).
Wipe any sweat/hairs off the seat after you get up before you flush, and close the lid (or lift the seat if there is no lid) before you flush to avoid spraying dirty water on the seat.
Having a somewhat decent diet (mine isn't great, but it's still good enough) helps a lot too: turds will have form rather than just be like a paste, requiring just one wipe to make sure things are clean.
I doubt 99% of parents teach that (and they probably don't even practice that themselves). And most people aren't going even consider optimizing their toilet routine or care about the person using the toilet after them.
My kids used to get scared by the toilets which automatically flushed because their bodies were small and it was easy to be missed by the sensor and it would flush while they were still sitting on it. It's older technology, sure, but it's solving the problem of people not flushing toilets while introducing new problems.
I was once in the Microsoft building in NYC and used the toilet when the person in the stall next to me quickly fled the room and I saw water starting to run under the toilet wall (which was maybe 20cm from the floor). I had to quickly finish my business and tell the person working the desk that I had gone to use the bathroom and saw that a toilet was overflowing. I guess what I'm getting at here is that either all of the tech giants have toilet problems or you need more fiber in your diet.
You literally just T junction off the line that's already present. Not complex at all. The bidet itself has a valve that stays closed until you're ready for it to spray.
Presumably the tech is called Google Wave?
(These setups showed up all over Europe years ago, with gas stations outsourcing their toilet facilities to companies taking care of cleaning and maintenance. Payment is collected on entry, which gives the customer a ticket, which entitles them to 30-cent-or-so discount on coffee or whatever. Advertising is supposed to make this all work. It does not seem to have been a very successful model, with many facilities being in a state of disrepair as shown in these pictures)
I’m glad you nipped that in the bud. Euro paid toilets have always been outright disgusting and not once better than the free toilets found literally anywhere else in the semi-developed world in my experience. I’ll take a free SE Asian toilet over a paid French toilet any day of the week.
Nice thing about ads in toilets is frustrated users will be very creative in showing their lack of satisfaction with commercials blasting while they piss.
(Every once in a while you also see free restrooms where the cleaning person asks for a tip.)
In Belgium, you'd better not need to pee on the highway on Sundays or at night because the restrooms (paid, or reserved to clients of the restaurant/shop owner) are simply closed, outside of a handful of gas stations where they cost 0,80€ AND are only moderately clean.
No idea where you're using toilets, but I've been all over Europe and have yet to see a disgusting toilet.
So for example, the restrooms after the ticket barrier for a high-speed train will almost always be miles ahead of the restrooms available as part of the before-the-gate in a subway or Metro.
The best public toilets I've ever used were free, actually, and can be found at the waterfront in Vancouver, Washington, just north of Portland[0]. They're called the Portland Loo.
https://www.columbian.com/news/2018/oct/10/portland-loos-ins...
It's essentially flamebait, since it's highly unlikely to apply to all of them, so you just trigger counter-anecdotes.
Complain about French rest area toilets if you like, and praise Vietnamese railway station toilets. Those would seem more reasonable scopes.
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Never paid a cent in my life for the “privilege”
It seems odd that the minimal ad revenue would pay for the electricity. Maybe it’s a situation where the power cost is externalized to the decision so they see “$4 extra per month” without being able to itemize and track the extra $5 in power.
Speaking of pissing on your customers, I tried to create an FB account recently (thinking that the software I sell ought to have a FB presence). Immediately I received an email from FB accusing me of lying when setting up the account — requiring me to now submit my (mobile) phone number in order to begin the process of resolving the issue.
Yeah, no. Bye, FB.
The core problem is, as so often these days, that decades of unchecked capitalism have "optimized away" resilience on all levels: first, too much competition led to gas stations depending on concession sales (while oil companies make ever more insane profits), and now gas stations depend on nickeling-and-diming customers for shit that used to be free (by exposing them to ads wherever they can, some places have gated their vacuums and air pressers behind payment, and good luck finding a free loo). It's going to be a real shitshow when the ad companies shut down as the advertisers are cutting back on budget.
A lack of competition aka mono/duo/oligopols controlling markets is obviously unhealthy, because too large and powerful entities can and will gouge customers in the best (=most harmless) case, or actually make absurd demands from politics in the worst case when they get way too large (see the recent Credit Suisse bank scandals).
The other way around, too much competition, is also bad, as it incentivizes unhealthy business behaviors such as wage theft, tax evasion, barely making profits (and thus, having no reserves for the event of an externally-caused economic shock), or exploiting customers to the point that they rather piss into a bush (and annoy residents) than pay 50ct for a loo.
And to make it worse, a part of the problem is that there are a ton of gas stations - in Germany, about 14.000 [1] - but only a handful of oil suppliers. And the suppliers have an insane amount of leverage here: the gas stations are effectively locked to them (e.g. virtually all oil in Eastern Germany originates from two refineries in Leuna and Schwedt), so the refineries can charge whatever they want, and gas stations don't have the freedom to add markup to make profits on gas.
[1] https://www.adac.de/verkehr/tanken-kraftstoff-antrieb/deutsc...
At some point all the home toilets will be smart, there wil be a bug and they will fail to boot. Without booting they will not flush.
Thus London will have another Great Stench
On a more srious note, ford recently patented 'our car will drive off if you fall behind on payments".
We have to get the IoT stuff under control, and the law will not be changed untill something terrible happens. Maybe a ford car drives off with a newborn or causes multiple deaths.
It still takes a quarter and a twist, but have you never bought horny goat weed at a truck stop?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimedium?wprov=sfti1
Unless they've also got security cameras in the bathroom I'd expect those screens to get smashed pretty quickly.