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How many streets are in here? It seems that the street view is limited to a few blocks in each case.

When were the photos added? How can people add stuff from Mariupol, for instance?

This kind of stuff is absolutely needed, but regularly uploaded by people on the ground, and showing the up-to-date situation. One should be able to see any conflict zone, including Sanaa Yemen this way.

Because otherwise we just get videos like this, rather than visualizations of the actual damage and the more recent updates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZsjagnKPs

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> from Mariupol, for instance?

After they finish building all the new apartment blocks [1]. And Bakhmut currently looks way worse than Mariupol ever did, but I guess the West's attention has mostly shifted elsewhere.

[1] https://twitter.com/MKlarname/status/1635543087509323777

The Twitter account you used as source is a far-right, pro-Russian troll. Not very trustworthy.

Where can we get Mariupol footage of whats happening now?

Don’t think the Kiev Independent guys have access to Mariupol right now, I just copy-pasted from Twitter one of the first results of “Mariupol new apartments” search. You’re right, most probably those reporting from inside Russian-controlled Mariupol are pro-Russian.

Russia's goal with Mariupol seems to be razing the damaged parts of the city to cover up the destruction and their war crimes (see the mariupol theater), and rebuild new buildings on top, to proclaim that it's now a much better city under russian leadership.

Of course, ukraine would probably have razed or reconstructed these buildings, but the russian way seems to be explicitly done as a cover-up and propaganda operation.

I really doubt they can afford that level of public spending in other cities, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that these construction projects only cover a small portion of the destroyed buildings. To say nothing about the quality of the hastily constructed flats.

I wonder if Russia is letting Russians taking up residence in the new houses and what the consequences would be later.

Depends what you mean by Russian? If you mean someone who's first language is Russian, then not much will change.

Finished but with a lot of problems

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1615462194023473152

What do you think would happen to people going around and taking pictures of the damage in Mariupol while it’s under occupation?

Nothing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k

Life is returning back to normal after a horrific battle that did not need to happen. Most civilians don’t care so much under which government they live, they just want health and safety first and foremost. Governments and states create the problems, in my opinion. Politicians should serve the people, not create war.

In an ideal world, the states would be replaced with agencies that compete for yearly contracts from neighborhoods. Instead of killing civilians for a flag, the civilians would renew contracts for roads, police etc. from competing agencies and none of it would be bundled together in “a state”.

I didn’t want to spell it out, but apparently I must. They’d end up in torture chambers like in Kherson:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukrain...

I'm glad corporate news is now properly classifying waterboarding as torture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE

I do agree though that the battle didn’t need to happen. Russia could’ve just not attacked Ukraine.

> Most civilians

Most civilians that remained, which is a very different number and group of people from civilians before invasion.

This is almost trivially true, if you don't have a reason or desire to leave a town bombed to bits for several months, then you don't care about your government. People who cared or were candidates to be tortured, left before that. And being a torture chamber candidate required as little as having tattoos or speaking your native language, the language that people who never even lived in your country decided is not real.

Genocide is real though and genocidal war is very different from "government changed who cares"

Just like sister comment said, people are showing videos of driving around Mariupol.

If should be clear to see how the incentives of Ukrainians and Russians are polar opposite, yet they will both use truth as a weapon of war. I.e. the Russian equivalent of this website shows rebuilt, functioning cities.

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