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Rubio: “Capitalism Didn't Change China–China Changed Capitalism”

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By that, he means they've disrupted atlanticist unipolarity.

Atlanticism is a belief in the necessity of cooperation between North America and Europe.

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China did get rich. They most certainly got rich, but they didn't use that money to buy our products. They used that money to buy the products that are made in China. And they didn't become a democracy either. Now you have a rich Chinese Communist Party that has tightened its grip on the country.

Ah yes. China actually buys a ton of US products and services. But I think what Rubio is stating here is that China is moving up the value chain. Rubio thinks China needs to stay as America's cheap labor. China should not be allowed to compete in advanced products and services, the bread and butter of America's economy.

I think it's more that the West does not want a strong, unchecked, communist opponent. The CCP doesn't play fair or by the same rules. Why should we let them keep taking advantage of us?

I'm sorry, but does the US play by fair or by the same rules? And who checks the US?

The West is more than one country. Look at the allies who are a part of it. Who are the CCP's allies? Why is one set of allies much larger?

Would you prefer a world dominated by the ideas of the West or CCP?

The West does not want any opponents. Of course they don't. The 'communists', 'not a democracy' angles are just for public consumption.

The rules are set by the dominant power. So when they complain about China not playing fair or by the rules what they really mean is that they don't like that a country becomes strong enough to set their own rules according to their own interests

Correct interpretation.

I don't really have a problem with what the US is doing or trying to do. What I can't stand is that people actually think this is good (USA) vs evil (China).

Of course the West wouldn't welcome economic competition from China even if it were a flourishing democracy. Still, let's not lose sight of the fact that there are real moral differences between the US and China.

Note, for example, that you can say whatever you like about the US on this board, and the worst that will happen to you is that some people downvote or flag your comment.

I do not see China murdering people around the globe with drone strikes. And then not punishing everyone involved with death penalty. To me it is very clear which is evil and has evil population which keeps supporting these actions even if they still have some tools to fight against them.

China has the death penalty, and executes vastly more people per year than the US (~800 vs a handful).

You can (and should) protest certain aspects of US foreign and military policy within the US. There is far less latitude for internal criticism within China. Just try bringing up e.g. the Uyghur genocide and see how far you get.

Capitalism. You're holding it wrong.

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