California bill would require high schools to hand out free condoms
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In other words, high schools are particularly high risk environments not so much because high schoolers are more sexually active or have a greater number of parnters per se, because also and perhaps primarily because high school kids typically have a higher barrier to accessing regular STI testing and receiving STI treatment.
Abortion and Crime, Revisited -podcast [2]
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They said (if I'm remembering this correctly) that there is some correlation to the decline of leaded gas, but the decline in crime occurred at different times in different states- and the states the legalized abortion sooner saw drops in crime sooner.
So if it's just the leaded gas, which changed for all of the US at once, why would there be any correlation to abortion laws at all?
Again, this is if you start with the assumption that abortion is wrong/murder.
> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
-14th Amendment, United States Constitution.
Whatever you think about fetuses, they haven't been born yet.
A fun party trick is to ask the gathered crowd if they'd prefer that abortion were legal, but unnaturalized residents have no rights, or that abortion isn't legal but all rights are extended to non-citizens.
Surely a bubble gum style vending machine and selling them at cost (or quarter or less) would be possible as well?
I think I’m mainly jaded of the government giving away things and the generally negative outcomes it creates sometimes.
Why do you think they shouldn't be?
> I think I’m mainly jaded of the government giving away things and the generally negative outcomes it creates sometimes.
What are your predicted bad outcomes of more-freely available condoms?
Free for instance means over consumption and waste. Either it will be at the schools discretion, which is bad, or bad actors will take everything resulting in some not having access to a condom until a refill.
Cheap is better than free imho
It must be extraordinarily scary to live with such suspicion and paranoia.
Just blow them up with your breath, tie up the ends and watch people get disgusted as you leave them around.
I mean, yeah, delinquents are gonna be a pain in any case but free anything is just asking for trouble.
It really costs next to nothing, and prevents both teen pregnancies and STDs.
The issue with free is it puts no cost to taking more than necessary, so inevitably people will take more than necessary. You can’t realistically stock an infinite amount so the end result is temporary shortages.
Goal: you want all the kids to stay hydrated.
Your options are 1) to have set times when everyone has to lineup to get a water bottle, or 2) have a bunch of water bottles available at all times for anyone to come take when they want.
Option 2 works pretty well since kids know when they are thirsty. (Obviously. Otherwise the kids would all die of thirst under option 1 as well)
A strange phenomenon emerges however when you start with option 1 and then halfway through the summer another counselor attempts to implement option 2. The kids have been preconditioned to expect that they NEED to get a bottle when the bottles are available or they won't have access to water later. It takes some time for the kids to figure out that the waterbottles are now available at all times and they don't need to carry one around all the time "just in case". Till then you have a small riot around the cases of water bottles for a few mornings.
Option 2 distributes the water in a more efficient manner. The kids who spend time playing soccer will take more water than the kids who stay inside playing chess.
This is my own experience as that other counselor. You can work out the analogy, I'm sure.
I (incorrectly) thought that was obvious.
You have to walk up to that machine, where others can see you, and purchase it. People talk, maybe your parents find out, etc. I grew up in a super conservative area- the only way I bought condoms was by being the clerk at the gas station and buying it when literally no one was around. Because that was the only way.
But if everyone gets handed them handed out for free, well, there's no stigma because everyone has them.
And the cost to the government is peanuts compared to the cost of all the teenage pregnancies by kids who sure as heck can't afford to raise kids.
When I was in school in another state, many moons ago, they had free condoms available.
It is and has been for a long time, but not everywhere in the state, hence the mandate.
Here's a news story about opposition to the existing program in the state's largest district having evaporated... in 1993.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-07-06-me-10392-...
>>Free products are distributed at local businesses, community-based organizations and health care facilities. The Health Department's NYC Condom Availability Program gives away more than 30 million free safer sex products every year to over 3,500 locations throughout the five boroughs. These free products include male NYC Condoms, internal condoms (FC2) and lubricant.
When you compare to other methods of birth control, it’s not effective for teens.
Using it as an argument against providing free condoms to high schoolers is just annoying and not constructive.
It's like arguing that cars don't need seatbelts by saying "we don't need seat belts, after all, not driving is a solution that's 100% effective in preventing vehicle collision injuries." True, but not even remotely useful as an argument for whether or not cars should have seatbelts.
If you agree with everything I said why are you opposing me?
The relevant sentences from those two comments:
> teaching abstinence as the ideal doesn’t mean you have shun condoms.
Ok.
> Abstinence is a 100% effective. Note that I explicitly acknowledged that kids will have sex sometimes and think they should use condoms if they do.
This is the only comment I've seen where you've acknowledged that kids will have sex, and that they should you use condoms. If you've said it elsewhere in this thread, I haven't seen it.
While it's true you haven't argued against condoms, it's hard to imagine you support schools providing free condoms when your response to the idea is consistently "abstinence is 100% effective."
> If you agree with everything I said why are you opposing me?
What I am opposing is the repetition of "abstinence is 100% effective."
Why is stating this important to you? Are you suggesting it as an alternative to handing out condoms? Are you suggesting that abstinence education is preferable?
While technically true, asking people to actively suppress biological motivations doesn't work.
I think expecting high schoolers to abstain from sex is about as realistic as asking them to abstain from eating.
I'm saying nothing about whether either of those biological impulses is necessary or not, only that they're both very influential motivators for humans.
Perhaps the worst possible thing we could teach kids about their biological urge to have sex is that they can’t control it.
So while it is indeed a real option, it's one of the worst available options.
The first (of many) study reports backing this up: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/08/23/5452891...
What you linked is about abstinence only education. I explicitly acknowledged that kids having sex was inevitable.
Those that abstain don’t have to pick them up, but could still practice I guess
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/12/13/23505459/...
Let the guy share some of the responsibility.
They should share 100% of the responsibility for their ejaculate
Plus birth control pills have side effects
I thought so too until I moved to a small town in Ohio, and learned about teen pregnancies.
May be less teen having sex but more teens having unprotected sex because they wanted to get their noodle wet.
Of course we could also install vending machines, but it's unclear if putting a vending machine in every school, in multiple discrete places where students wouldn't be embarrassed to access it, would recoup the cost.