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I wonder if any of this is as a result of any of their big tech clients scaling back their TVC usage. Google, for example, has about 180,000 FTEs and another 180,000 TVCs. One might reasonably assume that, if an enterprise were to go on an efficiency drive, lots of process rationalization & simplification would occur, obviating he need for so many vendor supplied staff.

That said, Accenture is like most of the big consulting & outsourcing firms in having a stack ranking review process that encourages low performers to leave.

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Does anyone know why the big companies didn't scale back their TVC (Temporary, Vendor or Contractor) usage before laying off full-time staff that take an order of magnitude more resources to hire and fire?

I was under the impression that flexibility was one of the big reasons for TVC use, much easier to scale up or down, akin to cloud computing resources.

I suppose the lack of TVC scale-down at companies like Google is yet another indication that layoffs aren't a financial necessity or even a best practice; it's just the hot market signal to show investors that you're serious about "battening down the hatches" for "economic downturn."

Probably because a TVC that doesn't pull its weight will be let go right away. I suspect that the "economic downturn" is just an excuse to trim the fat. Also note the wording in OP: these are "non-billable corporate functions". ie middle management and such.

I suspect they are, but typically TVC is on an annual or project based contract so they might choose not to renew once the terms are up. Also ending a contract agreement won’t make headlines so we probably just aren’t hearing about it as much.

> Does anyone know why the big companies didn't scale back their TVC (Temporary, Vendor or Contractor) usage before laying off full-time staff that take an order of magnitude more resources to hire and fire?

> I was under the impression that flexibility was one of the big reasons for TVC use, much easier to scale up or down, akin to cloud computing resources.

I think many companies use them for flexibility, but my impression is that social media companies (of which Google is one) have other reasons, such as protecting their FTEs from the soul-killing aspects of content moderation.

They did. There have been a bunch of articles on HN back in early 2022 about TVC layoffs.

That was also when the whole "let's unionize google contractors" thing started happening.

They do all the time with simply not renewing contracts. TVC are also generally assigned to support a product or group of devs so they typically come and go with the product.

Iirc, employees are operating expenses and TVC can be capital expenses. One apparently looks better than the other.

Also, employees in the USA can be very expensive because of company benefits (mostly health care) costs.

Finally, it is not unusual for employees to be less motivated and/or capable than contractors.

I've been at a few places where employees where dropped before contractors...

What? There's no way to classify vendor or contractor spend as capex.

The reason they are used is for tasks that are repetitive, or with no career progression, or that may not be needed long term. Your comment about cost is correct as well.

As a faang employee who works with lots of contractors: we did. We've cut millions of dollars of vendors and contractors. Everywhere. It's just not making headlines.

I presume that they have already scaled back TVC usage. But it doesn't make news because it isn't interesting to anyone.

TVC = Temporary, Vendor or Contractor

Thanks!

Yep.

That's kind of the whole point of hiring TVCs, though my impression was Accenture was always aimed more at non-Tech F1000s.

I think the FAANG companies used Adecco and smaller local staff augmentation companies to their TVCs.

They use them all, IME (five years at FB adjacent to a bunch of the teams who hired these people).

Oh cool! Was that content moderation adjacent?

Not exactly, I was in ads, but Dublin has a lot of contractors (right across the business) so I talked to a bunch of them/a bunch of people hiring them over the years.

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