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The title is wrong, Archive Team (https://wiki.archiveteam.org/) is behind these archiving efforts, not The Internet Archive.

The dump will surely end up being stored at the The Internet Archive, but they are two different entities with different collaborators and different goals.

Archive Team describes themselves like this:

> Archive Team is a loose collective of rogue archivists, programmers, writers and loudmouths dedicated to saving our digital heritage.

If you want to contribute to the efforts, you can join #dprived (on hackint), once the Warrior (https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveTeam_Warrior) project is up and running, it's really easy to contribute. Basically run a VM and you're up and running.

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Or a Docker container, if that's easier for you!

https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveTeam_Warrior#I...

Perhaps run it right away even if #dprived isn't ready for the Warrior yet – you'll be helping Archive Team folks save other stuff, like Telegram and Reddit.

Can you select which kinds of sites it touches? Blindly copying/uploading content from e.g. Telegram or Reddit is problematic in various jurisdictions.

Here's the current list of projects I see in the dashboard: URLTeam 2 (URL shorteners), Heroku, Clara.io, issuu, Zhihu, pixiv, Telegram, Reddit, YouTube, Periscope, GitHub (in cooperation with Internet Archive and GitHub), MediaFire, Google Sites Classic, Pastebin, VKontakte, Stack Exchange, and some generic ones grabbing URLs from various sources.

You can choose what project you'd like to work on if you're concerned with legal issues: https://u.ale.sh/warrior-projects.png

Note that some of the listed projects are inactive and are not assigning items at the moment.

You select the project you run at any given moment. You can also select Archiveteam's Choice, which is usually the most urgent or the one with the most IPs needed, but if you do want to select it yourself, you pick the project.

Yes you can select which project to work on. There is a generic URLs project may touch random sites. Note that Archive Team requests that you have a "clean" internet connection that doesn't have site blocks or ISP injected advertising [1].

[1]: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveTeam_Warrior#C...?

> The title is wrong, Archive Team (https://wiki.archiveteam.org/) is behind these archiving efforts, not The Internet Archive.

Doesn't Archive Team upload artifacts to Internet Archive as the output of archiving? What's the practical difference?

Yes, which is what I wrote on the line under the one you quoted...

> The dump will surely end up being stored at the The Internet Archive, but they are two different entities with different collaborators and different goals.

Archive.org is a bit more careful with what they archive, while Archive Team doesn't care about your robots.txt, Terms and Conditions or other things, they simply work around it and try to archive as much as they can, no matter what you think.

Many of the people who contribute to Archive Team are also volunteers/supporters of Archive.org and vice-versa.

Bit more about the philosophy behind Archive Team can be found here: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Philosophy

That really just makes it sound like Archive Team is a separate entity to provide plausible deniability for an organization that's already in another major lawsuit for copyright infringement.

That's a pretty bold claim. Just because people from one group are part of the other and vice versa does not in any way mean that the groups themselves are linked.

Especially since a lot of the people at the IA would be proponents of archiving. It would make sense that at least some of them feel like the IA should be doing more and start a rogue group that takes their ideology to the extreme.

If it was a "rogue group", the IA would not agree to host the content. I imagine a good lawyer would shatter any sort of difference between Internet Archive and Archive Team, if there's a large number of common members, and one literally exists to scrape content to feed into the other.

But again, that's just what it sounds like to me.

Ah, another excellent posting and freely-given advice stream from the esteemed law firm of Guy, Guy, Guy, Guy and HackerNews.

Anyway, you nailed it. If you walk into Internet Archive Headquarters and go over to the Jason Scott statue and click his little top hat, a door opens in the floor and you're immediately lifted down 40 stories to a glowing LED-and-pulsating techno music lair containing dozens of Archive Team members, desperately gathering all the data they can from the world because [fill in the blank here, I'm sure you've got something].

Basically, Men in Black but more awesome and with more red bull.

Never change, Hackernews

> Just because people from one group are part of the other and vice versa does not in any way mean that the groups themselves are linked.

No, that's quite literally a link. "Link" is a metaphor for a chain, and that's how a chain looks: interlinked. It be a link if they were even located in the same building.

All it shows is that they both have similar member lists. Which is a given considering how extremely niche the topic of “internet archival” is.

How does that actually link the two organizations?

By your extremely broad definition, every organization in the world is “linked” to every other by the fact that they all are Earth based. That’s technically correct I guess, but not even remotely helpful in actually establishing a connection between two organizations.

this chain of replies has moved me from 'suspecting a link' to 'positive there's a link'

Fixed.

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