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DHH founder of Basecamp was always skeptical about cloud. He recently published how much they saved moving away from the "cloud" AWS specifically.

https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47...

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This!

Also, from experience, going with a "smaller" cloud provider and opting for a dedicated machine can already reduce the bill by a huge amount.

The position of power of the big 3 - AWS, GCP and Azure* - gives them almost 66% of the market - that doesn't seem right.

I'm no expert, but I'm amazed how much server you can get for little money from a discount provider like Hetzner vs AWS. There's a large gulf between fully on-prem and using Azure/AWS that doesn't have the same personnel requirements. If business apps can be self-hosted on a dedicated box that's maintained by someone else, it's potentially a huge savings. At least, that's been my experience.

With Hetzner VMs and k3s one could run a k8 cluster with amazingly low cost. There are even ready-made repos that make it lighting fast to deploy and easy to maintain...

https://github.com/kube-hetzner/terraform-hcloud-kube-hetzne...

Even Hetzner maintains a few repos for that:

https://github.com/orgs/hetznercloud/repositories?q=kubernet...

Yeah but that's such an atypical example. Small company with, I assume, a pretty high-end skillset overall.

Honestly, DHH and Basecamp have both struck me as being kind of old news for a while now. And he's the only other person I've heard making noises about the cloud like it's a bad thing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35108813 is another recent data point

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