Eat what people ate a hundred years ago
There is no magic but,most of what we eat in the west is shit
There is no magic but,most of what we eat in the west is shit
Plenty of people at that time were either:
Starving or near starvation.
Eating a profoundly limited diet for much of the year, relying heavily on salting, drying, pickling - freezers didn't exist for most people, food imports were brutally expensive and too slow anyway for short-life fresh produce.
Eating food contaminated with all sorts of garbage (sawdust in bread..) as food safety inspection and enforcement was only starting to become a thing.
Eating offal. So much offal. Roasting a whole chicken was a few times a year treat for my mother's family, middle income, UK, 1940s/50s. "A chicken in every pot" was a US campaign slogan circa 1930 - before factory farming, lean meat was unaffordable for many. People on upper middle class incomes in well-connected parts of the world had it pretty good by the 1920s, but the average citizen, not so much.
Tripe, cow tongues, kidneys, trotters, chicken feet, lungs, brains? Know they're big in some cultures, but no thanks.
I've tried chicken feet once... and to my great shame, I almost vomited all over the table! Using my teeth to scrape gelatinous skin off a chicken toe provides a visceral reaction :(
I guess we all have our food red lines!
So depending on where you are, not much [0]
Or a lot of what we would now shy away from, if you had the means [1]. And probably wine at lunch, a lot of alcohol and tobacco otherwise, and some other funny gummy stuff to chew if you fancied that.
My point is, we're probably looking at the past with way too rosy glasses, regular people ate a lot of junk as well. If they could afford to.
[0] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/famine/
[1] https://i.pinimg.com/736x/67/f6/25/67f6253ac36145bf9d0b392af...
The fiber requirement today is supposed to be 23 g of fiber, maybe 24.. the average American eats maybe 20 grams of fiber a day..
Also, I'd love for the "more fiber" proponents to have talks with the "only eat meat" proponents.
Not all prehistoric men. The Inuit around the world have a very low fiber diet and the difference is reveled in their genetics.
https://microbiomejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186...
It would be best to know your genetics before jumping any dietary bandwangon.
I have Sami heritage and I cannot eat a high fiber or anything close to a southern world high vegetable diet.
The bottom line is: if you couldn't grow it/make it/process it a hundred years ago you most likely don't want to ingest that every day
If what you eat contain 50 ingredients, 45 of which you can't identify, and you couldn't make it yourself at home with basic ingredients and utensils it most likely isn't any good for you
> regular people ate a lot of junk as well. If they could afford to.
20% of the population is obese before hitting adulthood, 70% of americans are obese or overweight, the leading cause of death is cardiovascular disease, lifestyle related cancer show no sign of decline quite the opposite, &c.
We came a long way, we now know what kill us, people don't die of starvation, but they still die of malnutrition. There is a systemic, world wide issue with food, a very very bad one
You probably have a very specific image of what people ate a century ago, but I wouldn't expect that you assumed rice, beans and fish, with as much fat as affordable. For better or worse, there's little "you know what I mean" culture common ground on HN I think.
> The bottom line is: if you couldn't grow it/make it/process it a hundred years ago you most likely don't want to ingest that every day
That's kind of an amish approach to food. I'd prefer to benefit from better food than a century ago (we have a ton of better crops, better processed products, tastier varieties etc .), but at least it's a pretty clear position you have.
Find a local Farmer, buy meat, vegetables, and dairy from them.
Not only will you have great quality products straight from the source, but the farmer will get good profit too. Also, the food is so much better for you than the processed shit that you find in most supermarkets nowadays.
Local food, and local people is so much better for all the things.
Milk is not just food but most likely a genetic transfection system activating mTORC1 signaling for postnatal growth https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23883112/
Milk drinkers are inserting bovine RNA into their cells (unless it is heavily fermented or UHT)
> Milk is rich in miRNAs that appear to play important roles in the postnatal development of all mammals.
https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10...
> There is compelling evidence that human and bovine milk exosomes play a crucial role for adequate metabolic and immunological programming of the newborn infant at the beginning of extrauterine life. Milk exosomes assist in executing an anabolic, growth-promoting and immunological program confined to the postnatal period in all mammals. However, epidemiological and translational evidence presented in this review indicates that continuous exposure of humans to exosomes of pasteurized milk may confer a substantial risk for the development of chronic diseases of civilization including obesity, type 2 diabetes mellitus, osteoporosis, common cancers (prostate, breast, liver, B-cells) as well as Parkinson's disease. Exosomes of pasteurized milk may represent new pathogens that should not reach the human food chain.
The whole "calcium" argument is also totally debunked.
Everything is unhealthy if you look hard enough, before looking at dairy I'd look at sodas, sugar/carbs in everything, &c.
Or just go for a walk down the street or in an hospital
Contextualized one way, milk is a meal replacement or nutrition supplement, and one that is more practical than most other options. A serving of whole milk requires zero on-site prep time, is relatively portable once packaged, and perhaps more importantly, it is often the most palatable option for picky eaters. Public health is complicated.
Did you read I wrote "modern diet". Those are not the typical HN reading crowd.
Also: you could give them leafy greens can lentils to achieve the same.
Sure the benefits of the dairy nutrition may outweigh the problems of the intolerance.
Exactly. Same goes for other common allergies options like legumes, seafood, and gluten. That's why you provide options.
- 70% obesite/overweight rate
- 20% of kids are obese before hitting 18
- The 2 leading causes of deaths are lifestyle related, with diet being a big part of both
Every single study and scientist you will find will tell you our diet is dog shit, they'll tell you we eat too much sugar, too many carbs, too much salt, too much processed food
People discussing if artificial sweeteners are better or worse than sugar are like drug addicts discussing if heroin is less worse than fentanyl
Just cut that shit out of your life, there are no drawbacks and an infinite amount of benefits. They're not necessary, they're not needed, you're just addicted to them. We see the results, we have the stats, the science tells us why, we know. I don't get how anyone can argue the opposite, we eat shit, the vast majority of things sold in supermarket is shit, most people eat shit and they visibly suffer from it
Moderns food is pretty good. Just keep your diet varied and sane.
Why not go back nearly two thousand years then? Let's eat like Roman aristocrats!