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It helps to read TOS/EULA/etc. If you agree to something then you shouldn't be complaining about it.

No. In many places getting consent by deceptive/malicious means is illegal, and EULAs cannot override laws. That's why Google's cookie popups now have a "reject all" button after a $170 million fine.

10 years ago it would take a month of workdays. I have to imagine it's much worse now.

https://www.techdirt.com/2012/04/23/to-read-all-privacy-poli...

Then don't use the software, you can't just sign a contract and then back off because you didn't have time to read it before you signed it.

Interestingly, when I booted up a Win10 VM (with internet access) a few weeks ago some Edge window appeared, took over the screen, and wanted to force me to go through their preferences/setup wizard.

By "force" I mean "giving no other options". No "skip", "do it later" (or similar), and no way to quit.

Had to outright kill the task in the windows process manager, as there's zero chance I want anything to do with Edge.

So "don't use the software" is workable for people who know how to kill tasks.

But MS will be pulling that shit on average consumers too.

There is a website that summarizes terms of services:

https://tosdr.org/

The about page says it started in June 2012, shortly after that techdirt article.

Well I have an EULA in my living room closet that allows everyone who wants to complain. If you don’t agree you can find my closet and write your name on the exception list. You must use Cyrillic letters.

Yes, have us let tech giants see how much dystopian shit they can get away with without any kind of pushback because their ToS has a vague remark at page 30 that might grant them the ability to do so. That is the kind of future we want.

Oh, there's no chance in hell I'll ever use Edge personally. Learned a long, long time ago not to trust MS.

I think you realize how unrealistic and out of touch that is, and just take pleasure in being a pill.

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